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  1. A Grizzly Situation - Feral Druid 1.12.1 (PvE, tanking and DPS) i. Contents Intro. Tips, Tricks, Addons and Info for new Ferals. Stats, Race and Effective Health. Gearing your Feral, release, DM and AV. Leveling your Druid, skills, and finisher usage in world PvE. Builds. Consumables. Thanks and Raid Logs. 1. Intro This will pawsibly be the greatest guide I've ever written. Please Bear with me, as it has some serious length (said the archbishop) and you'll need to read the entire thing to get a solid overview of the class. Some people might kitten on to the amount of bad puns in this guide, and think they detract from the document. However with a cattitude like that they're probably in the wrong place. Prepare yourselves, I will koala-fy you to play this class the right way. Phew, with that out of my system, let us move on. Most people who want to play feral will hear that you're only there to buff crit on the Rogues and Warriors, provide Innervate for the healers, your DPS sucks and you can't tank anything that isn't a 5 man dungeon. Not true, especially in the early part of gearing. Step one. Identify who your main 'competitors' are. Everyone compares us to Rogues (both wear leather, both do dps), without factoring in the differences between the classes, gearing, and the extra utility we bring to a raid. Rogues certainly can't tank the amount of encounters we can for example, especially in a clutch environment. So many people seem to focus around having the exact, perfectly reliable 40 people needed with perfect class representation for each encounter. Doesn't happen, and no guild running content with less than 40 players will turn down a dedicated and effective player. The other 'Hybrids' of Vanilla are; Warriors Priests Paladins Shamans Comparing what we bring to a raid compared to what the DPS specs of those classes bring, we have; Wipe Protection – So called 'Battle Rez' Raid Buffs – Mark of the Wild, Thorns, Leader of the Pack, Innervate Dispelling – Dispel Curse. You will be decursing every raid, most bosses. Off Tanking and DPS from one spec, tanking/dps and healing from one spec with 0/30/20 +1 build. While other Hybrids can bring some of these, none of them can bring all of them in one set of gear and one spec. In relation to the other classes, presuming equal levels of gear, we sit; Less DPS than a Fury Warrior. Equal DPS to an Arms Warrior, Elemental Shaman or Shadow Priest. More DPS than a Ret Paladin. Substantially more DPS than an Enhancement Shaman. This is a basic table, that depends highly on the gearing situation. For example, when first entering MC in a raid in blues/greens, a well itemised Druid can do significantly more dps than some pures. However, as other classes push ahead with Tier drops and especially weapon drops, we will start to fall behind. It is not unusual to find a Druid doing the same DPS as other hybrids but being 6-8 ilvls behind, this is due to the fact that until AQ40 comes, there simply aren't that many truly top tier Druid drops. We scale excellently, but between early game blues and end game (AQ/Naxx) epics there aren't that many drops for us. Druids are probably the best hybrids in the game, and there are 4 builds that you can take into PvE as a Feral and do reasonable with. However, it is important to note that to be an effective feral, you need to be able to swap between tank, dps and sometimes healer within the same dungeon. You cannot expect to just heal or just tank, if you set yourself up to do just one thing, you will struggle to find groups or a guild. A good feral is a boon to any guild, a bad feral who is blinded into just one role is a wasted spot. This is especially true in 1.12.1, since we get the 1.2.0 (65%-180% armour on bear form, 125% to 360% from Dire Bear form.), 1.4.0 (Shapeshifting removes Polymorph) and 1.6.0 (Shapeshifting removes Slows) to our Bear spec. Many detractors from early wow remember Bears trying to tank before these buffs, 1.2.0 was a significant boost to our survivability. 2. Tips, Tricks, Addons and Info for new Ferals. Hands down probably the best Addon for a Druid is RogueFocus. Ignore the name, it works for Druids as well. Gives you a small movable bar that shows your current combo points, current energy, and most importantly, a tick timer similar to Energy Watch, all in one package. The energy ticker is the critical part, as it allows you to check when to shapeshift for maximising Feral DPS. You wait til you are 0 Energy, then shift out of form and back into form before the next 'tick' of energy, this will give you 40 energy from Furor, 20 from Wolfshead Helm, and then 20 from the tick as you shift, giving you 80 energy from 0 in 2 seconds. We should all thank @Roadblock for backporting it and posting the link on his Github account. Chance on Hit: Enchants (eg Crusader) and Weapons (shooting shadow bolts, chance to cause bleed, etc.) that state "Chance on Hit to X" do not work when shape shifted. Equip: Items that state "Equip: Chance on Hit" that are not on a weapon do work when shape shifted. This includes things like Hand of Justice. Weapon Base Damage: Weapon damage has no effect on your damage in feral form. Weapon Enchants: Weapon enchants such as +Agility/Strength do apply when in feral form. Many people will be used to +damage enchants also working, with each point of damage being equal to ~14 AP. This means a max rolled 'of the Quality' weapon with +7 weapon damage is worth around 98 AP, or 40.8 Strength. However, this is a common Mangos bug that will not apply here. Weapon on use: Weapons with "on use" effects such as the Manual Crowd Pummeler do work. Weapon Skills: We do not need to level weapon skills when in Feral form, we are always considered to be max skill for our level. A level 60 Druid with 1 point of staff skill in Kitty form is presumed to have 300 weapon skill when usings claws. Armour: The armour 'cap' is 75% damage reduction. The tooltip can show more, but effectively any armour beyond that point is wasted, unless a boss has a sunder mechanic. 21,855 armour in Bear form gets you to the 75% cap. [SOURCE] Armour kits/enchants: Armour kits and armour enchants that give + armour do not scale multiplicative with the bonus armour in Bear form, instead they are additive. For example, if you have a cloak with 169 Armour like this, enchant it with +70 Armour, we would get, 169 + (169 * 1.8) + 70 = 543.2. This is further affected by Thick Hide (see below). Armour (Thick Hide): Thick Hide is a 5 point talent that adds 2% armour bonus per point. This is multiplicative, not additive. What this means is that at 5/5 points, you will receive the full extra 10% modifier for your total armour. In 1.12.1 in Bear Form the armour formula is X + (X * 1.8) + N, where X = armour value of an item and N = Armour enchant/kit. With Thick Hide this becomes (X + (X * 1.8) * 1.10) + N. To use the above example of the Elementium Threaded Cloak, this would become; (169 + (169 * 1.8) * 1.10) + 70 = 590.52 Armour. Threat: Bear Druids have the same threat modifiers as Warriors: 130% for Bear Form and Defensive Stance, or 149.5% if you have 5/5 Defiance or 5/5 Feral Instinct. Unlike Warriors however, our base tanking abilities do not have an additive threat component like Warriors, instead, they are multiplicative. Each point of damage done by Maul or Swipe does an additional 0.75 threat, before we take into account the form modifiers. For example, if a Maul does 200 damage, it does 200 * 1.75 = 350 threat, or 350*1.3 * 1.15 for a total of 523 threat when including Bear Form and 5/5 Feral Instinct. Threat: Since we do not have an additive threat component like Warriors, we do reduced threat against high armour enemies, and increased threat against low armour enemies. Crits greatly increase our threat. 3. Stats, Race and 'Effective Health' (level 60) Stamina: 1 Stamina = 10 health. Strength: 1 Strength = 2 Attack Power. Agility: 1 Agility = 1 Attack Power. 1 Attack Power = 1 DPS. Agility: 57 Agility = 1% Critical Strike Chance Intellect: 1 Intellect = 15 Mana. For DPS with at least 33% raid buffed crit chance or above; Hit (to 9%) > Strength > AP > Crit/Agility For DPS with less than 33% raid buffed crit chance; Hit ~(to 9%) > Agility > Str > Crit > AP For Tanking; Agility > Armour > Dodge/Stamina > Crit Tauren/Nelf are about on par when it comes to tanking, Taurens have more natural strength and HP, Nelfs have more natural Agility and the racial dodge, it evens out, and there isn't one 'pure race' to go. Feral DPS the Tauren has the minor advantage due to the bonus Strength, but it works out as just a few dps difference at 60. Effective Health is a term that cropped up during TBC and was especially relevant during the Stam stacking days of WotLK. It can still be 'reverse-applied' to Vanilla however, in simple terms, it is Health / (100-[the amount of % reduced by armor or DR (Damage Reduction)]) = Physical EHP. This gives you a basic idea of how much total damage an enemy needs to do in order to kill you outright, and will allow you to decide on upgrades in the late game when balancing Armour vs Stamina. Note; we do not lose out on Rage from dodges, so unlike Warriors we do not need to worry about Rage Starvation due to Dodge/Agility, we cannot parry. Stacking pure EH is a fine way to gear a Druid tank, especially for beginners. We calculate the (100-DR) using a decimal place scale, that means 100 is represented by 1, and your percentage is what you take away. 50% Damage reduction would therefore be 1 - 0.5 = 0.5. An example of EH; 5000hp, 50% Armour Damage Reduction, would become; 5000/((1-.5=)0.5)=10,000 This can be as complicated as can be without changing the way it works, for example; 7232hp and a 54.7 DR would be 7232/((1-.547=).453)=15,964.67 EH. You can then re-run the numbers increasing health/Armour and see which gives you the higher EH, letting you choose your upgrades more effectively. 4. Gearing your Feral, (release, DM and AV) The hard part about gearing a Druid in vanilla is how our itemisation works, we have awesome, excellent scaling, but awful gear options. Most Druid players gear like a Rogue, play like a Rogue, then wonder why their DPS is awful, hence perpetuating the 'lol druid feral dps is awful' stereotype. We only gain 1 AP per point of Agility. WE ONLY GAIN 1 AP PER POINT OF AGILITY. Similar to Shamans, we get all of our AP from Strength and +AP items. While a certain amount of Agility is desirable for crit (and Agi is usually on any piece of leather with strength on any way) we want to try and ensure a 2:1 ratio of Strength to Agility for DPS. The second mistake most inexperienced Druids make is swapping their weapon out for higher base damage. Weapon damage has no effect on Druid DPS, they are quite literally just stat sticks, nothing more, nothing less. A level 40 2hander with 20 Str will be of higher benefit to you for DPS than a lvl 60 epic with no Str but a higher damage range. WE ARE NOT ROGUES, DO NOT SPEND ALL YOUR DKP ON A WEAPON DROP. This section shows how to gear your feral on Crestfall, with the 'usual' pre-raid BiS list, tuned for how the guys are going to set up the staggered release of content. So, step one, what is the release scheduleprobably going to look like? Release (1.1.2): 8 debuff slot limit. Release with Maraudon available.(1.3.0) - Dire Maul & associated quests released., Kazzak and Azuregos released.(1.5.0) - Release Alterac Valley BG.(1.6.0) - BWL released.(1.7.0) - ZG released. 16 debuff slot limit implemented. (1.8.0) - Dragons of Nightmare and Silithus revamp.War Effort Completed (1.9.0) - AQ 20 & 40 released.(1.10.0) - Tier 0.5 quest line activated.(1.11.0) - Naxxramas released. This means, the initial push for Server Firsts and most peoples first Onyxia/MC raid clears will come before the release of Dire Maul and well before AV epics are available. This means most BiS pre-raid lists for existing Pservers are useless, since many current Pservers release either; a) with an incorrect patch sequence making them a funserver (ala Kronos) or b) are projects like Feenix that have high rates or instant cap mechanics to allow people into raiding quickly. Many such 'raid servers' release with ZG available from the start, meaning the usual BiS list from many existing servers of UBRS -> ZG -> 40m Raids is not only perverse (ZG should come after BWL) but also redundant for this realm. It will also drastically change many classes BiS lists, for example, it is not unusual for a caster to acquire full Bloodvine before being able to join a 40 man raid on many such 'raid servers'. Disclaimer: I'm not on the team, or affiliated with Crestfall. Release is subject to change, and while @Darkrasp has been very open to a proper release schedule, things might obviously change when the team settles down and thrashes out what they are going to do about patch content. This is a PvE guide, I will therefore discount any and all PvP gear except for the AV REP gear, since that doesn't require the PvP grind the rest of Vanilla PvP gear does. While each person will require their own stat weighting and analysis of how stats affect them, I've gone with the following basic rule of thumb to make for an easily comparable list. Bear: Armour > Stam > Agi > Hit/Dodge > Crit > Str Hit% - 9% to never miss an attack. Agility - 1 Agi = 2 Armour & 1 AP, ~20 Agi = 1% Dodge & 1% Crit. Stamina - 1 Stam = 10 HP, 12 HP with 5/5 Heart of the Wild (HotW) DR% = Armour / (Armour + 400 + 85 * (Attacker Level + 4.5 * (Attacker Level - 59))) Dodge% = 0.9% + (Agi / 20) + Miscellaneous Contributions + (Attacker's Attack Skill * 0.04) Kitty: Hit > Str > Agility > Crit > AP Hit% - 9% to never miss an attack. Agility - 1 Agi = 1AP, ~20 Agi = 1% Crit. Attack Power - ~14 AP = 1 DPS. Strength - 1 Str = 2 AP, 2.4 AP with 5/5 HotW. Notable Early Game Sets, Green Items and quest choices. The biggest choice in the early gearing stage for a feral druid to make is, Mark or Tyranny or Blackhands Breath? They are mutually exclusive quest rewards, and both are BiS for a long time (Tyranny is BiS full stop). The Stormshroud set is a reasonable early late game tanking set for Druids, depending on the price you can get it for and whether or not you want to grind the mats yourself. The energy regen is obviously useless, but the individual items have relatively decent armour and dodge. It really depends how much effort they are to get compared to the individual pieces in the list below, all of which will be superior than the Stormshroud items. Stormshroud has more value if you multi-role or hybridise more often, since you can use it for both tanking and dps. It's a good solo set for a feral druid alt. The Shadowcraft Rogue set is another very solid set. While technically designed for Rogues (and we cannot upgrade it to the fantastic T0.5) the set bonuses all work for us (energy proc obviously useless when tanking). If you are able to get a couple of pieces the 200 bonus armour is very nice while you are building out the rest of your set. 6 pieces of this set as a Kitty is a perfectly viable way to gear as your are building out your main DPS set. As @Aquane pointed out below, there are some Green items that with good rolls can outdo some of the starter gear on this list, similar to Mages BiS cloak in MC being the green cloak with +20 frost damage on it. Things to look out for include; Green "of the Tiger" boots with more Str/Agi than Sandstalker Ankleguards. Green "of the Tiger" prismatic rings with both Str/Agi on them. Release, Bear Helm - Bone Ring Helm - Rattlegore, Scholomance Neck - Talisman of Evasion - Warmaster Voone, LBRS while waiting to get Amulet of the Darkmoon - 1200 Darkmoon Faire tickets. Shoulder - Atal'ai Spaulders (Stamina Variant) - ST Troll Miniboss. For starting Druids, the Stormshroud Shoulders (crafted) are viable if you are building towards a set bonus (2 or 4, 3 is only for cats). Due to the difficulty of farming Atal'ai Spaulders (drop %, not difficulty of the instance), Wyrmtongue Shoulders - Balnazzar, Stratholme Living is a more realistic easily farmable alternative. Back - Stoneshield Cloak is technically BiS, but it is a world drop. A more targettable drop is something like Shadow Prowler's Cloak - Drakkisath, UBRS. Chest - Technically Breastplate of Bloodthirst is BiS, but it requires a Pristine Hide. The craftable Warbear Harness is a much more easily targettable pre-raid item. Bracers - Malefic Bracers - Trash, Scholomance. Hands - Slaghide Gauntlets of the Monkey - Urok Doomhowl, LBRS are not replaced until AQ40, non-negotiable BiS. Waist - Frostbite Girdle - Ras Frostwhisper, Scholomance. Legs - Warstrife Leggings - General Angerforge, BRD. Feet - Cadaverous Walkers, Scholomance Mini Bosses. or Rings - Ring of Protection (quest) and Archaedic Stone (Stamina/Agility version). Trinkets - Mark of Tyranny (quest) and Smoking Heart of the Mountain (enchanting 265). Mark of Tyranny is exclusive vs Blackhands Breadth (Kitty list). Idol - Idol of Brutality- Magistrate Barthilas, Stratholme (1.10.0). Weapon - Warden Staff is the undisputed king, but it is also a very rare world drop and expensive to get. Twig of the World Tree is a more realistic first weapon, it's another world drop, but substantially more common and cheaper. It is perfectly acceptable to use a more DPS orientated weapon until DM releases and you can farm Unyielding Maul. Fist of Omokk - Highlord Omokk, LBRS is a good starting place. Release, Kitty Helm - If Powershifting - Wolfshead Helm - Crafted If NOT powershifting - Eye of Rend - Rend, UBRS Neck - Mark of Fordring - In Dreams, Fordring Questline, EPL. while waiting to get Amulet of the Darkmoon - 1200 Darkmoon Faire tickets. Shoulder - Truestrike Shoulders - Overseer Emberguard, UBRS. Back - Cape of the Black Baron - Baron Rivendare, Strat Chest - Cadaverous Armour - Mini Bosses, Scholomance. Bracers - Shadowcraft Bracer's - Sholo/Strat Trash. Hands - Devilsaur Gauntlets (crafted) are BiS if you are completing the 2 set bonus, if not then Gargoyle Slashers - Kirtonos, Scholomance. Waist - Cloudrunner Girdle - Quartermaster Zilgris, LBRS. Legs - Devilsaur Leggings (crafted)if you are running the 2 set bonus, otherwise Shadowcraft Pants - Baron Rivendare, Stratholme. Feet - Sandstalker Ankleguards - Zerrilis, ZF. are technically BiS, but are a pain to farm since they are a rare drop from a rare spawn. Swiftfoot Treads are a more likely starting point, since they come from a quest. Rings - Blackstone Ring - Princess, Maraudon. and Myrmidon's Signet (world drop). Trinkets - Blackhand's Breadth (quest) and Hand of Justice - Emperor, BRD. Heart of Wyrmthalak - Wyrmthalak, LBRS can be worthwhile if you are still waiting for a drop and fighting mobs weak to fire damage. Horde Only: Rune of the Guard Captain (quest). Blackhands Breadth is exclusive vs Mark of Tyranny (Bear list). Idol - Idol of Ferocity - Lord Roccor, BRD (1.10.0). Weapon - Fist of Omokk - Highlord Omokk, LBRS. Raid Upgrades and Patch Releases This next section is revised from the original guide, taking into account @Dawnstorms request for the initial raid upgrade path and drops that are 'feral-centric' drops. This means raid drops where a feral gets more from the item than a warrior for tanking items, or items where the feral gets more from the item than a DPS would. If they are equal for all classes, they will not be on the list, as you don't have claim to a 'class specific upgrade' if it is as useful for you as it is for anyone else. Mainly, that comes down to what Armour Class the item is and how much Strength/Armour it has on it. In the case of ZG, if you have the MC/BWL drops, there is very little 'druid specific' or 'druid orientated' drops that you could justify taking before another class. Any items not on the list you will be competing against other DPS for. 1.3.0 Dire Maul, Bear Upgrades Replace Talisman of Evasion with Evil Eye Pendant - Immol'thar, DM West. Replace Stoneshield Cloak with Cloak of Warding. While Wardens Staff remains your BiS goal, you now have access to Unyielding Maul - Tribute, DM North, which will make early gearing much easier. 1.3.0 Dire Maul, Kitty Upgrades Replace Wristguards of Renown with Bracers of the Eclipse - Prince Tortheldrin, DM West. Replace Myrmidons Signet with Tarnished Elven Ring - Tribute, DM North due to difficulty of farming Myrmidons, Myrmidons is technically the superior ring however. Replace Heart of Wyrmthalak with Counterattack Lodestone - Tribute, DM North. Replace Fist of Omokk with Bonecrusher (quest). 1.5.0 AV, Bear Upgrades None. 1.5.0 AV, Kitty Upgrades Replace Magma Forged Band with Don Julio's Band. The Unstoppable Force is inferior to Bonecrusher, and harder to get. Onyxia Drops, Bear Upgrades Eskhandar's Collar Onyxia Tooth Pendant - Hit rating if needed, otherwise, FR set. Onyxia Drops, Kitty Upgrades Onyxia Tooth Pendant. MC Drops, Bear Upgrades Fireguard Shoulders Dragon's Blood Cape Heavy Dark Iron Ring - Average upgrade for Warriors, third BiS ring in the game for a Druid tank. Lave Belt (crafted from MC drops) - Better than Taut Dragonhide Belt from BWL for a Druid Tank. Fireproof Cloak - FR set. Medallion of Steadfast Might. MC Drops, Kitty Upgrades Wristguards of Stability Aged Core Leather Gloves - If your Rogues are all running Combat Swords then this is a solid upgrade for a Kitty, but ONLY if no Rogues need it. 1.6.0 BWL Drops, Bear Upgrades Taut Dragonhide Shoulders Malfurion's Blessed Bulwark Taut Dragonhide Belt Archimitros' Ring of Reckoning Master Dragonslayer's Medallion Drake Fang Talisman 1.6.0 BWL Drops, Kitty Upgrades Cloak of Draconic Might Malfurion's Blessed Bulwark Taut Dragonhide Belt Circle of Applied Force Draconic Maul Master Dragonslayer's Ring Drake Fang Talisman 1.7.0 ZG Drops, Bear Upgrades Blooddrenched Leggings 1.7.0 ZG Drops, Kitty Upgrades Shadow Panther Hide Gloves Belt of Preserved Heads (quest) 5. Leveling your Druid, skills, and finisher usage in world PvE. Googledoc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19ine4BKMJNblDIvD0ZneMQwOvBrZR5MPtTzAHIMuZc8/edit?usp=sharing What is the most efficient way to level a feral Druid when it comes to optimizing your damage output and finisher selection? The above table presumes an untalented 45 energy cost Claw, as well as an untalented Ferocious Bite (FB). It uses pure baseline numbers only. This post presumes that you are fighting 1v1 and wont be able to shred on demand, and that you will be playing without powershifting. That's reasonably simple. Presuming we have a Druid at high enough level to use each ability, we'll use 0 AP to make the math nice and easy. Rip should not be affected by armour, it will always do straight damage. FB and Claw are affected by armour, and their damage will be increased by Faerie Fire (Feral). Q1: Is there ever a time where Claw is better than a 1 point FB? Short Answer: From an energy usage standpoint, no, from a damage standpoint, yes. FB will always do more damage per point of energy spent when you compare FB damage to the bonus damage awarded by the Claw ability. However, when comparing pure damage, when you add in the native white damage from Claw, Claw will always do more damage than a 1CP Bite. If we take a level 60 Druid, with all skill levels, and presume they do an average white hit of 200 damage; (200+115) = 315/45 = 7 damage per energy point spent with Claw R5. 229/35 = 6.54 damage per energy spent with FB rank 5 at 35 energy. Q2: Is it better to pool my energy and use FB at 100 energy, or to use it straight away at 35 energy? Short Answer: Use it sooner and don't waste the pooled energy. Long Answer: The additional damage from bonus energy is always better off used towards generating more combo points, unless the mob will die before you can use one more ability. Illustrating with rank 5 FB with 5CPs; 35 energy FB: 817/35 = 23.34 damage per energy spent. 50 energy FB: (817+40.5)/50 = 17.15 damage per energy spent. 75 energy FB: (817+108)/75 = 12.33 damage per energy spent. 100 energy FB: (817+175.5) = 9.925 damage per energy spent. As you can see, the damage gained compared to the energy spent significantly diminishes the more energy you pool to use with FB. To go from 35 to 100 energy takes 3.25 ticks. As you need to wait for a whole tick to complete to gain energy, that pushes it to 4 ticks, or 8 seconds, to wait to pool to 100, with 15 energy 'wasted' by going over the 100 energy cap. That 8 seconds gains you 175.5 damage on your FB. Using the above example Druid, that's less bonus damage than 1 melee swing. Q3: Rip or FB? Short Answer: R2 Rip > R1 FB, otherwise FB if both skills are within one level of each other. Long Answer: Typically, a Rip requires all 6 ticks to do rougly equal damage to a FB before 4CP's, or 5 ticks to equal a 4+CP FB, until you get FB rank 3. Rip ticks every 2 seconds, isn't affected by mob armour and cannot crit. FB is affected by mob armour, but can crit, as a melee damage ability for 200% damage. From FB R2 - FB R4, FB remains demonstrably ahead. Rip Doesn't catch up again until R6/R5 comparison. It is important to remember R5 FB is leaned from a book and not available at server launch. Rip R2 vs FB R1; 1CP: 58/11 = 5.27 ticks to equal a 1CP FB. 2CP: 5.22 ticks to equal a 2CP FB. 3CP: 5.2 ticks to equal a 3CP FB. 4CP: 5.187 ticks to equal a 4CP FB. 5CP: 5.17 ticks to equal a 5CP FB. As you can see from the above, a R2 Rip will always need full duration to equal an equivalent CP FB. However, as you level, the gap closes. Rip R3 vs FB R2; 1CP: 91/15 = 6.066 ticks to equal a 1CP FB. 2CP: 6.25 ticks to equal a 2CP FB. 3CP: 6.33 ticks to equal a 3CP FB. 4CP: 6.38 ticks to equal a 4CP FB. 5CP: 6.41 ticks to equal a 5CP FB. Rip R4 vs FB R3; 1CP: 142/23 = 6.17 ticks to equal a 1CP FB. 2CP: 6.32 ticks to equal a 2CP FB. 3CP: 6.39 ticks to equal a 3CP FB. 4CP: 6.43 ticks to equal a 4CP FB. 5CP: 6.45 ticks to equal a 5CP FB. Rip R6 vs FB R5; 1CP: 229/45 = 5.088 ticks to equal a 1CP FB. 2CP: 5.15 ticks to equal a 2CP FB. 3CP: 5.17 ticks to equal a 3CP FB. 4CP: 5.19 ticks to equal a 4CP FB. 5CP: 5.20 ticks to equal a 5CP FB. The only times to prioritize Rip over FB is if a) You can't maintain melee range and need to back off to heal/bandage/LoS an ability (mainly PvP) b) Your opponent has huge amounts of armour, significantly reducing your physical damage dealt. In all other situations, a FB will give more damage in every fight that does not last more than 10 seconds. If the fight does last more than 10 seconds, Rip will do slightly more damage than the average 5 CP FB. If FB crits, it is always better than the equivalent CP Rip. The other important factor to bear in mine, is that as you level you get the skills at different levels, Rip usually being ~4 levels before FB. In these cases, the higher level Rip is usually the better choice. To illustrate; From level 36-39, Rip R3 vs FB R1; 1CP: 58/15 = 3.86 ticks to equal a 1CP FB. 2CP: 3.91 ticks to equal a 2CP FB. 3CP: 3.93 ticks to equal a 3CP FB. 4CP: 3.95 ticks to equal a 4CP FB. 5CP: 3.96 ticks to equal a 5CP FB. As you can see here, Rip only needs to tick 4 times (8 seconds) to do more damage than the equivalent CP FB non crit. TL:DR - Faerie Fire (Feral) > Ferocious Bite > Rip > Claw to 5 CP if Rip/FB are within one level of each other.Spells, When and Why to purchase them. Claw, Shred, Maul, Ravage all scale with basic white damage. They either have a bonus damage (weapon damage + X) or a weapon damage multiplier (X% weapon damage + Y) which means even a low level ability keeps pace with you into the higher levels. It is important to note that we do not have to worry about weapon damage or dps. This mean our low level feral combat abilities scale as long as we keep increasing our gear, and as our inbuilt damage goes up every level. We start with Wrath (Rank 1) and Healing Touch (rank 1). This skill list presumes we; Want to reach level 40 (Dire Bear form and slow mount) and 60 (epic mount) with as much gold as possible in order to make getting our mount as quick as possible. Want to minimise the amount of useless or situational skills we spend gold on (most expensive part of leveling) Start with Moonfire before switching to cat/bear. Moonfire is Arcane damage (Wrath is nature and resists much more often) and has the same range as Wrath (30 yards). Will mainly tank or DPS when grouped while leveling. Will self buff Mark of the Wild. I've chosen the two best heals for us as Feral, Regrowth and Rejuvenation. Juvi is an instant cast spell that can be thrown up before switching forms or inbetween shifting, and a rank 4 Regrowth is enough to top 1/4 of a hp bar even into the high 40's/early 50's. Between the two you should be almost unkillable unless you are going one on one with elites or higher level targets. Keep MotW buffed, open with Ravage (Rake before 32) Claw to 3/4 CP's and then Rip. If needed you can then Claw to 3/4 CP's, pool energy and Ferocious Bite. Level 1 (10c) Mark of the Wild (R1 - 10c) Level 4 (2s) Rejuvenation (R1 - 1s) Moonfire (R1 - 1s) Level 6 (2s) Thorns (R1 - 1s) Wrath (R2 - 1s) Level 8 (2s) Healing Touch (R2 - 2s) Level 10 (Bear Form - Quest) (12s) Moonfire (R2 - 3s) Demo Roar (R1 - 3s) Rejuvenation (R2 - 3s) Mark of the Wild (R2 - 3s) Level 12 (8s) Regrowth (R1 - 8s) Level 14 (18s) Bash (R1 - 9s) Healing Touch (R3 - 9s) Level 16 (54s) Swipe (R1 - 18s) Rejuvenation (R3 - 18s) Moonfire (R3 - 18s) Level 18 (38s) Maul (R2 - 19s) Regrowth (R2 - 19s) Level 20 (1g 40s) Cat Form (20s) Claw (R1 - 20s) Prowl (R1 - 20s) Rip (R1 - 20s) Mark of the Wild (R3 - 20s) Healing Touch (R4 - 20s) Rebirth (R1 - 20s) Level 22 (60s) Moonfire (R4 - 30s) Rejuvenation (R4 - 30s) Level 24 (2g) Rake (R1 - 40s) Swipe (R2 - 40s) Tiger's Fury (R1 - 40s) Regrowth (R3 - 40s) Remove Curse (40s) Level 26 (1g 35s) Dash (R1 - 45s) Maul (R3 - 45s) Abolish Poison (45s) Level 28 (2g 50s) Challenging Roar (50s) Claw (R2 - 50s) Rip (R2 - 50s) Moonfire (R5 - 50s) Rejuvenation (R5 - 50s) Level 30 (1g 80s) Travel Form (60s) Mark of the Wild (R4 - 60s) Regrowth (R4 - 60s) Level 32 (1g 60s) Ferocious Bite (R1 - 80s) Ravage (R1 - 80s) Level 34 (3g) Swipe (R3 - 1g) Moonfire (R34 - 1g) Rejuvenation (R6 - 1g) Level 36 (2g 20s) Pounce (R1 - 1g 10s) Rip (R3 - 1g 10s) Level 38 (1g 20s) Claw (R3 - 1g 20s) Level 40 (7g) Dire Bear Form (1g 40s) Ferocious Bite (R2 - 1g 40s) Mark of the Wild (R5 - 1g 40s) Rejuvenation (R7 - 1g 40s) Innervate (R1 - 1g 40s) Level 44 (1g 80s) Rip (R4 - 1g 80s) Level 46 (2g) Rejuvenation (R8 - 2g) Level 48 (4g 40s) Claw (R4 - 2g 20s) Ferocious Bite (R3 - 2g 20s) Level 50 (2g 40s) Mark of the Wild (R6 - 2g 40s) Level 52 (5g 20s) Rip (R5 - 2g 60s) Rejuvenation (R9 - 2g 60s) Level 56 (3g) Ferocious Bite (R4 - 3g) Level 58 (6g 40s) Claw (R5 - 3g 20s) Rejuvenation (R10 - 3g 20s) This has used exactly 2g, 76s, 10c at level 20, 26g, 1s, 10c at level 40, and 51g, 21s and 10c at level 58/60. You can then decide at 60 whether you are going to push for an ultra fast epic mount, or if you are going to buy up some higher level skills and do dungeons first. You can reduce this by a further 2g 1s if you do not get any more ranks of Moonfire after level 10. If you plan to solo the entire time, this can be further reduced by removing Bear tanking abilities, Innervate, Rebirth and Mark of the Wild. If you do skip instances or to only DPS them, then you will probably suffer during the leveling process with a lack of decent blues. Feral Faerie Fire and Feral Charge are free, as they are spells given by talents. Talents & Gearing The first ten level of playing your Druid will go relatively slowly. Wrath, Thorns, your Staff and Moonfire being your only DPS. At level 10 you shoot off to Darnassus/Thunder Bluff for a quick quest which will unlock your first form, the Bear tanking form. Horde can start tanking instances around level 12 with Ragefire Chasm, Alliance around level 16-18 with Deadmines, but by level 20 you will have enough points in Feral to Tank or DPS every instance without having to care about your gear set until you reach the end game dungeons. At low levels of gearing, before you are fully kitted out, you'll be focused on replacing your grey and white items with whatever greens you can get. Even for DPS, the basic stat priority will be; Stamina > Strength > Agility > Armour This is for several main reasons; While questing, you usually don't have a tank. The more pulls you can make before having to heal and the safer you are the faster you will level. Nearly all feral abilities scale with our basic white damage as we level, meaning we can prioritise survivability while having a negligible effect on our solo DPS. We can't reach high levels of crit at low levels and we don't have Blood Frenzy. Strength provides a passive, permanent DPS boost. The crit from Agility is RNG based damage output. The thing to also remember about Bear Form is that it increases our armour contribution from items by 180%, which puts us on an almost even footing with Warrior in low level instancing. We have significantly higher threat, we're relatively easier to heal and keep alive (block is minimal at low level for a Warrior and we have bigger health pools) and we don't have to worry about an item having +Int on it, as long as it is around our level (for the Armour) and has Stamina on it, it is usable. For example; Compare the Chausses of Westfall and the Tunic of Westfall, the two 'tanky' rewards from the first Dungeon Quest chain for Alliance. 5 stam on each, 11 strength vs 11 agility, 173 armour vs 92 armour. We look worse off, but taking the 180% modifier into account the Tunic actually provides us with 165.6 armour, ~0.55% dodge (~20 agility is 1% dodge) and an extra 22 armour from the agility, giving us a total of 187.6 armour. From a very simple EH standpoint, we can calculate roughly what each class gets. We have to use very simplified numbers to illustrate the effect (since it is impossible to calculate what the armour % reduction will be for the total char from one, one off piece) by adding the hp and armour and adding the 10% damage reduction from a warrior stance to give us; (50 + 173)*1.10 = 245 "points" for the Warrior. 50 + 187.6 = 237.6 "points" for the Druid. The classes are nearly even on pure damage reduction, and while the Warrior will gain a negligible amount of extra block from the strength, we are actually better off at low levels with our scaling due to the dodge. If we can get an excellent low level drop such as the Blackened Defias Armour, we actually outstrip warriors significantly, since they don't really have a corresponding low level blue chest drop. 110 + (92 * 1.8 + 6) = 281.6 "points" for the Druid with the Defias Armour. Level 20 Build - A charge, an extra 1 second on Bash (3 seconds total) and cost reduction on our major abilities. Level 30 Build - Move speed, crit %, AP and Blood Frenzy. Take the 2 points of Feline Swiftness first in order to reduce travel times while getting Travel Form at 30. The 4% dodge isn't wasted after you get Travel Form, there is no need to respec out of this talent until level 60. Level 40 Build - 5/5 Heart of the Wild slightly increases further how good Stamina and Strength are for your gear now, and the 20% int increase will allow you to continue healing with basic +int gear into the high 40's/early 50's. Faerie Fire gives you a ranged pull while tanking (Faerie one and charge a second add for instant threat on two targets) and Savage Fury is a static + damage boost. With Dire Bear Form we actually pull significantly ahead of leveling warriors in the survivability department, as the spell instantly gives us Plate like armour, whereas they will need to spend time collecting a full plate set (unless they are a rich twink with a full set ready to go at 40). Level 46 Build - 5/5 Furor and Leader of the Pack gives you the basis of nearly every feral build in the game. You can now choose whether you want to spec into +Armour for tanking, Omen of Clarity and Natural Shapeshifter for DPS, or any combination thereof for an endgame build that you can find elsewhere on this forum in the endgame spec guide here. Druid leveling drops by instance. For the following guide; A neutral quest can be picked up from the same quest giver by either faction. A faction quest can be picked up from either faction, but has their own independant quest giver. If a quest is listed as Alliance/Horde Quest, it means only that faction can get that quest. Ragefire Chasm (12-18 - Orgrimmar) Dredgemire Leggings - Horde Quest - The Power to Destroy Savannah Bracers - Horde Quest - Searching for the Lost Satchel Hammer of Orgrimmar - Horde Quest - Hidden Enemies Subterranean Cape - Drop - Taragaman the Hungerer Deadmines (15-22 - Westfall) Dusty Mining Gloves - Alliance Quest - Collecting Memories Tunic of Westfall - Alliance Quest - The Defias Brotherhood Miner's Cape - Drop - Miner Johnson Smelting Pants - Drop - Gilnid Blackened Defias Belt - Drop - Captain Greenskin Smite's Mighty Hammer - Drop - Mr. Smite Cookie's Stirring Rod - Drop - Cookie Cape of the Brotherhood - Drop - Edwin VanCleef Blackened Defias Armour - Drop - Edwin VanCleef Blackened Defias Boots - Drop - Trash Blackened Defias Gloves - Drop - Trash Blackened Defias Leggings - Drop - Trash Wailing Caverns (17-24 - Barrens) Slick Deviate Leggings - Neutral Quest - Deviate Hides Deviate Scale Belt (crafted) - Neutral Quest - Deviate Eradication Talbar Mantle - Neutral Quest - The Glowing Shard Leggings of the Fang - Drop - Lord Cobrahn Belt of the Fang - Drop - Lady Anacondra Armour of the Fang - Drop - Lord Pythas Footpads of the Fang - Drop - Lord Serpentis Gloves of the Fang - Drop - Trash Glowing Lizardscale Cloak - Drop - Skum Shadowfang Keep (22-30 - Silverpine Forest) Grizzled Boots - Horde Quest - The Book of Ur Seal of Sylvanas - Horde Quest - Arugal Must Die Silverlaine's Family Seal - Drop - Baron Silverlaine Odo's Ley Staff - Drop - Odo the Blindwatcher Fenrus' Hide - Drop - Fenrus the Devourer Black Wolf Bracers - Drop - Fenrus the Devourer Wolfmaster Cape - Drop - Wolf Master Nandos Gloomshroud Armour - Drop - Trash Face Smasher - Drop - Trash Blackfathom Deeps (24-32 - Ashenvale) Band of the Fist - Horde Quest - Allegiance to the Old Gods Deftkin Belt - Horde Quest - Je'neu of the Earthen Ring (Befouled Water Globe) Naga Battle Gloves - Drop - Lady Sarevess Glowing Thresher Cape - Drop - Old Serra'kis Bands of Serra'kis - Drop - Old Serra'kis Moss Cinch - Drop - Aku'mai Ring of Precision - Drop - Trash Mobs Stockades (24-32 - Stormwind City) Ambassador's Boots - Alliance Quest - Crime and Punishment Belt of Vindication or Headbasher - Alliance Quest - The Fury Runs Deep Razorfen Kraul (29-38 - Barrens) Mourning Shawl or Lancer Boots - Alliance Quest - Mortality Wanes Monkey Ring or Tiger Band - Neutral Quest - Willix the Importer Ferine Leggings - Drop - Agathelos the Raging Slaghammer - Drop - Trash Wolfclaw Gloves - Drop - Trash Plains Ring - Drop - Trash Mantle of Thieves - Drop - Trash Gnomeregan (29-38 - Dun Morogh) Mechanic's Pipehammer - Alliance Quest - Data Rescue Triprunner Dungarees - Faction Quest - The Grand Betrayal/Rig Wars Manual Crowd Pummeler - Drop - Crowd Pummeler 9-60 Oscillating Power Hammer - Drop - Trash Petrolspill Leggings - Drop -Trash Scarlet Monastery (34-45 - Tirisfal Glades) Explorers' League Commendation - Alliance Quest - Mythology of the Titans Vorrel's Boots - Horde Quest - Vorrel's Revenge Dragon's Blood Necklace - Horde Quest - Into the Scarlet Monastery Loksey's Training Stick - Drop - Houndmaster Loksey Branded Leather Bracers - Drop - High Inquisiter Fairbanks Mograine's Might - Drop - Scarlet Commander Mograine Ironspine's Eye - Drop - Ironspine Ironspine's Fist - Drop - Ironspine Ghostshard Talisman - Drop - Azshir the Sleepless Ebon Vise - Drop - Fallen Champion Dreamslayer - Drop - Trash Fight Club - Drop - Trash Flintrock Shoulders - Drop - Trash Harbringer Boots - Drop - Trash Mark of Kern - Drop - Trash Warchief Kilt - Drop - Trash Watchman Pauldrons - Drop - Trash Razorfen Downs (37-46 - Barrens) Dragonclaw Ring - Neutral Quest - Extinguishing the Idol Amberglow Talisman - Faction Quest - Bring the Light/End Silky Spider Cape - Drop - Tuten'kash Fleshhide Shoulders - Drop - Glutton Quillward Harness - Drop - Trash Uldaman (41-51 - Badlands) Medal of Courage - Alliance Quest - The Lost Tablets of Will Prospector Gloves - Alliance Quest - Agmond's Fate Explorer's League Lodestar - Alliance Quest - The Hidden Chamber Talvash's/Jarkal's Enhancing Necklace - Faction Quest - Restoring the Necklace/Find the Gems and Power Source Ironshod Bludgeon - Drop - Ironaya Archaedic Stone - Drop - Archaedas The Rockpounder - Drop - Archaedas Adventurer's Pith Helmet - Drop - Trash Spirewind Fetter - Drop - Trash Stonevault Bonebreaker - Drop - Trash Unearthed Bands - Drop - Trash Zul'Farrak (44-54 - Tanaris) Masons Fraternity Ring - Neutral Quest - Divino-matic Rod Lifeblood Amulet - Drop - Antu'sul Jinxed Hoodoo Skin - Drop - Shadowpriest Sezz'ziz Embrace of the Lycan - Drop - Chief Ukorz Sandscalp Sandstalker Ankleguards - Drop - Zerillis Blackmetal Cape - Drop - Trash Maruadon (46-55 - Desolace) Zealous Shadowshard Pendant - Faction Quest - Shadowshard Fragments Sagebrush Girdle - Faction Quest - Vyletongue Corruption Sprightring Helm - Neutral Quest - Twisted Evils Mark of the Chosen - Neutral Quest - The Pariah's Instructions Heart of Noxxion - Drop - Noxxion Phytoskin Spaulders - Drop - Razorlash Fungus Shroud Armour - Drop - Meshlok the Harvester Grovekeeper's Drape - Drop - Celebras the Cursed Albino Crocscale Boots - Drop - Rotgrip Blackstone Ring - Drop - Princess Theradras The Sunken Temple (50-60 - Swamp of Sorrows) Guardian Talisman - Faction Quest - Into the Temple of Atal'Hakkar/The Temple of Atal'Hakkar Atal'ai Spaulders of the Bear - Drop - Troll Minibosses Nightfall Drape - Drop - Dragons Drakeclaw Band - Drop - Dragons BlackRock Depths (52-60 - Blackrock Mountain) Penance Spaulders - Neutral Quest - Ribbly Screwspigot Nagmara's Whipping Belt - Neutral Quest - The Love Potion Swiftstrike Cudgel - Faction Quest - Hurley Blackbreath/Lost Thunderbrew Recipe Nightfall Gloves - Faction Quest - Incendius!/Disharmony of Fire Windshear Leggings - Alliance Quest - Marshall Windsor Wyrmhide Spaulders - Neutral Quest - A Tase of Flame Magni's Will - Alliance Quest - The Fate of the Kingdom Conqueror's Medallion - Horde Quest - Operation: Death to Angerforge Thrall's Resolve - Horde Quest - The Royal Rescue Idol of Ferocity - Drop - Roccor Smoking Heart of the Mountain (crafted) - Drop - Roccor Blackveil Cape - Drop - High Interrogator Gerstahn Shadefiend Boots - Drop - Ring of Law Girdle of Bestial Fury - Drop - Ring of Law Dark Warder's Pauldrons - Drop - Warder Stilgiss Magma Forged Band - Drop - The Secret Safe Cinderhide Armsplints - Drop - Lord Incendius Rubidium Hammer - Drop - Bael'gar Warstrife Leggings - Drop - General Angerforge Force of Will - Drop - General Angerforge Naglering - Drop - Golem Lord Argelmach Coal Miner Boots - Drop - Hurley Blackbreath Ghostshroud - Drop - Summoner's Tomb Magmus Stone - Drop - Magmus The Emperor's New Cape - Drop - Emperor Thaurissan Wristguards of Renown - Drop - Emperor Thaurissan Swiftwalker Boots - Drop - Princess Moira Bronzebeard These are all the best drops to look out for while leveling to 60. Scholomance, Stratholme, Lower/Upper Blackrock Spire and Dire Maul are all end game instances you will struggle to find a group for without being level 60, so I will not add them to the list. Notable World Quest rewards. In the following section, the level in brackets is the minimum level you need to be to get the quest, not necessarily the level you need to be to complete it. Black Whelp Boots - Redridge Alliance Quest (14) - Underbelly Scales Camouflaged Tunic - Silverpine Forest Horde Quest (14) - The Weaver Smith's Trousers - Redridge Alliance Quest (15) - The Everstill Bridge Hammerfist Gloves - Darkshore Alliance Quest (15) - The Absent Minded Prospector Demolition Hammer - The Barrens Horde Quest (17) - Weapons of Choice Dry Moss Tunic - The Barrens Horde Quest (17) - Betrayal from Within Orc Crusher - Redridge Alliance Quest (18) - Tharil'zun Steadfast Cinch - Darkshore Alliance Quest (18) - Escape Through Force Draftsman Boots - Stonetalon Mountains Neutral Quest (18) - Gerenzo Wrenchwhistle Trailblazer Boots - The Barrens Horde Quest (20) - Horde Presence Stomping Boots - Hillsbrad Horde Quest (21) - Elixir of Pain Bone-Studded Leather - Redridge Alliance Quest (21) - Missing in Action Boorguard Tunic - Ashenvale Horde Quest (22) - King of the Foulweald Warsong Boots - Ashenvale Horde Quest (22) - Warsong Supplies Windborne Belt - Dustwallow Marsh Alliance Quest (25) - Highperch Venom Brute Hammer - Thouand Needles Horde Quest (25) - Arikara Ribbed Breastplate - Hillsbrad Horde Quest (26) - Humbert's Sword Shepherds Girdle or Shepherds Gloves - Hillsbrad Alliance Quest (30) - Costly Menace Braced Handguards - Desolace Horde Quest (30) - Centaur Bounty Grapplers Belt - Desolace Alliance Quest (30) - Return to Vahlarriel Ringtail Girdle - Desolace Horde Quest (31) - Clam Bait Lightstep Leggings - Hillsbrad Alliance Quest (31) - Hints of a New Plague? Tiger Hunter Gloves - Stranglethorn Vale Neutral Quest (31) - Tiger Mastery Panther Hunter Leggings - Stranglethorn Vale Neutral Quest (31) - Panther Mastery Excelsior Boots - Stranglethorn Vale Neutral Quest (32) - Excelsior Seawolf Gloves - Arathi Highlands Neutral Quest (35) - Drowned Sorrows Raptor Hunter Tunic - Stranglethorn Vale Neutral Quest (35) - Raptor Mastery Band of Allegiance - Dustwallow Marsh Horde Quest (35) - Service to the Horde Magram Hunters Belt - Desolace Neutral Quest (36) - Khan Hratha Tharg's Shoelace - Dustwallow Marsh Horde Quest (38) - Army of the Black Dragon Enormous Ogre Boots - Dustwallow MArsh Horde Quest (38) - Overlord Mok'Morokk's Concern Seafire Band - Arathi Highlands Neutral Quest (39) - Death From Below Blazewind Breastplate - Badlands Faction Quest (40) - Tremors of the Earth/Broken Alliances Pratt's/Jangdor's Handcrafted Boots or Gloves - Feralas Faction Quest (40) - The Mark of Quality Pratt's/Jangdor's Handcrafted Tunic - Feralas Faction Quest (41) - Improved Quality Razzeric's Racing Grips - Thousand Needles Neutral Quest (41) - Safety First Undercity Reservist's Cap - The Hinterlands Horde Quest (42) - Oran's Gratitude Gryphon Rider's Leggings - The Hinterlands Alliance Quest (42) - Saving Sharpbeak Ethereal Talisman - Hillsbrad Horde Quest (43) - The Crown of Will Chared Leather Tunic - Neutral Searing Gorge Quest (45) - WANTED: Overseer Maltorius Vinehedge Cinch - Feralas Horde Quest (45) - Wandering Shay Kaylari Shoulders - Alliance Searing Gorge Quest (47) - Prayer to Elune Plainstalker Tunic - Un'Goro Crater Neutral Quest (48) - The Bait for Lar'korwi Blight Leather Gloves - Felwood Neutral Quest (50) - A Final Blow Cloudrift Mantle - Winterspring Alliance Quest (52) - Ancient Spirit Snarkshaw Spaulders - Darnassus/Orgrimmar Faction Quest (53) - Calm Before the Storm Ring of Protection - Eastern Plaguelands Neutral Quest (55) - Hidden Treasures Duskwing Mantle - Eastern Plaguelands Horde Quest (56) - Duskwing, Oh How I Hate Thee... This is not an exhaustive list of all Feral drops by any means, just the particularly well itemised pieces. I also haven't gone over the starter areas, since you have no choice about where you start as a Druid in 1.12.1 and you really need to do all quests just for leveling. My preference on leveling items is Stamina > Strength > Agility, so the amount of Agility & Strength pieces without any Stamina is minimal. 6. BUILDS There are 5 main builds and one variant build that we can use in PvE content. They are; Feral DPS. Feral Tank. Feral Hybrid. Feral/Resto Hybrid. The 'Pure Hybrid' 11/35/5 +0 - Not quite as able to powershift due to lacking Natural Shapeshifter, but still able to tank every instance, every raid, and DPS effectively. The more tanky version of the Tank/DPS hybrid spec listed below at #4. This is my preferred spec of choice. Feral Pure DPS 14/32/5 +0 - Based around Powershifting, this mean you dps to 0 energy, shift to caster, shift back to cat for the 40 bonus energy, and then continue dpsing. It has high mana requirements, and is not an easy spec to play. Feral Pure Tank 0/35/11 +5 - This is the pure tank build popularized on the Feenix forums of olde. Insect Swarm gives you some extra survivability and more ranged threat, you'll typically Swarm an add (30yrd range) shift (10 rage), Enrage, Faerie Fire an add, Charge the main target, and you are then able to start the Swipe/Maul spam. No other tank has a Bears innate threat generation, especially since we gain rage from hitting, instead of being hit, this means we can wear our very best gear in a 5 man dungeon without having to worry about being Rage Starved like a well geared warrior tank. A note on Thick Hide; It's an amazing talent in early game, when you are struggling for every point of Armour you can get and diminishing returns haven't kicked in yet. However, after you reach the magic 10k AC soft cap (it's not actually a cap, but it's when DR really starts kicking in) you start to get less and less effective health per point of armour. If 100 armour gives you a 5% survivability increase when you have 4k AC, 100 Armour after 10k will give you a 1% increase. Numbers pulled from my ass for illustrative purposes. The 5 extra points can be sunk into Thick Hide, or you could put 3 in Thick Hide and 2 in IMotW. At lower gear levels, the 5 in Thick Hide will give the greatest bang for your buck. Feral Hybrid Tank/DPS 14/31/6 - This hybrid feral spec does a bit of both tanking and dps, but neither as good as the pure builds. It will however allow you to freely swap between dps/tank for 5 mans with a single set of gear and be effective enough at either to do all non raid activities. If you tank more than you dps, drop the 3 points from Natural Shapeshifter into Thick Hide. Feral Hybrid DPS/Tank 14/32/5 "The @Wortgewandt variant". Very much the same as the above build, but with the threat increasing talents dropped in order to add additional DPS talents. Less 'easy threat' than the above build, more DPS, more built around off tanking in raids than main tanking. Still able to tank dungeons just fine, but it will require more thought and less autopilot. Feral/Resto Hybrid 0/30/20 +1 - This is the true 'variant' build, able to dps, tank or heal depending on what your group needs and if you have the bag space to carry around 2 sets of gear. You wont be effective as a pure specced tank/healer/dps druid, but you will be able to do all non raid activities without respeccing, it's an effective solo spec and cheap to run, so you could use it effectively on an alt. The bonus point goes either in Leader of the Pack or Nature's Swiftness, depending on what you do most often. If you take LotP, drop the points from Improved Healing Touch and go with something like this. http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#0Ztx0scrdtxVckf The 'Beginner' Feral build 11/40/0 - This is a true beginners build, it cuts out powershifting entirely, and allows you to tank and dps from one spec and one set of gear. Not as effective at dps as either the above builds, but it does allow for someone learning the class to have a basic build able to raid, until you find the niche your guild needs you to fill. This build is perfectly able to DPS and Tank 10/20 man raids and all 5 man instances, and is the perfect 'casual' build for people who wont be doing end game raiding on a large scale. 7. CONSUMABLES You can choose any of the consumables from the below list, keeping in mind that they do not all stack with each other; Elixir of the Mongoose & Elixir of Giants if not flasking. Mageblood Potion. Demonic/Dark Rune. Major Mana Potion. Winterfall Firewater. Juju Power. Juju Might > Elixir of the Giants. R.O.I.D.S. Ground Scorpok Assay. Elemental Sharpening Stone. Flask of Distilled Wisdom for powershifting, Flask of Titans for tanking. My minimum preference, is Flask of Distilled Wisdom, Juju Power, Juju Might, Major Mana Potion (2 per boss). 8. Thanks and raid log evidence. Edit: An expansion for DPS numbers. Taking the very top dps of the four whack-a-mole bosses in BWL (the Drake Pinatas and Broodlord) for each class and calculating the % of damage they do. I'm using numbers from Kronos, since a; they're readily available and b; that's the big Vanilla server at the moment. Bear in mind the section at the start discussing bugs on Kronos at the moment, Paladins are definitely at a disadvantage there currently. The highest DPS will be considered '100%', with each class calculated as a percentage of that, rounding decimals down to the nearest whole point. This gives a percentage of maximum possible dps that class is doing, which will show you all the Hybrids within 10% or so of each other in terms of total dps. I'll then do one final calculation; dividing the total dps of each class by its ilvl to give it a 'per ilvl dps rating'. This is especially useful for Paladins in this area, as their 'BiS item list' is quite significantly under ilvl of most of classes in T2. One final note on this, the top feral druid on Kronos is a guy called Tf. He regularly does 100+ more dps than other druids on nearly every boss with ~5-6 less average ilvl. The guy is just that good, and it throws some of the list out of whack. Broodlord Lashlayer (adds) (Tank Swapping, Trap evading, Fire Aura, Threat Management, 3rd boss BWL) Druid: 668 ilvl 62 53.48% 10.77 Hunter: 1016 ilvl 71 81.34% 14.30 Mage: 1007 ilvl 71 80.62% 14.18 Paladin: 700 ilvl 66 56.04% 10.60 Priest: 702 ilvl 67 56.20% 10.47 Rogue: 1249 ilvl 75 100% 16.65 Shaman: 707 ilvl 66 56.60% 10.71 Warlock: 900 ilvl 70 72.05% 12.85 Warrior: 1209 ilvl 68 96.79 17.77 Firemaw (Fire Aura, Stacking Fire Debuff, LoS mechanics, 4th boss BWL) Druid: 762 ilvl 62 53.36% 12.29 Hunter: 838 ilvl 73 58.68% 11.47 Mage: 892 ilvl 73 62.46% 12.21 Paladin: 602 ilvl 66 42.15% 9.12 Priest: 647 ilvl 68 45.30% 9.51 Rogue: 1067 ilvl 73 74.71% 14.61 Shaman: 681 ilvl 67 47.68% 10.16 Warlock: 929 ilvl 72 65.05% 12.90 Warrior: 1428 ilvl 70 100% 20.40 Ebonroc (Self healing drake, 5th boss BWL) Druid: 741 ilvl 62 53.00% 11.95 Hunter: 960 ilvl 74 68.66% 12.97 Mage: 1011 ilvl 71 72.31% 14.23 Paladin: 644 ilvl 68 46.06% 9.47 Priest: 685 ilvl 68 48.99% 10.07 Rogue: 1177 ilvl 71 84.19% 16.57 Shaman: 635 ilvl 67 45.42% 9.47 Warlock: 982 ilvl 66 70.24 14.87 Warrior: 1398 ilvl 71 100% 19.69 Flamegor (Enrage Fire Aura, 6th boss BWL) Druid: 711 ilvl 62 47.24% 11.46 Hunter: 901 ilvl 74 59.86% 12.17 Mage: 849 ilvl 68 56.41% 12.48 Paladin: 551 ilvl 68 36.61% 8.10 Priest: 680 ilvl 67 45.18% 10.14 Rogue: 1146 ilvl 74 76.14% 15.48 Shaman: 605 ilvl 69 40.19% 8.76 Warlock: 920 ilvl 73 61.12 12.60 Warrior: 1505 ilvl 71 100% 21.19 My thanks for reading the guide, I'd be Lion if I said it didn't take a long time to write, but I Purrservered, and while some of my puns were quite Pawful, I think in the end it was pretty Clawsome. I'm Feline pretty Clawver now to be honest, I think I have a Tailent for this. I'll wrap this up before it becomes unBearable.
  2. Good afternoon Crestfallen and welcome to Q&A 4. All questions for this Q&A were taken from replies to the last Q&A post. As always, we'd like to remind you all that questions regarding a release date will be ignored and that Asura currently remains committed to a 2017 release. You will be the first ones to know about the release date as we approach it. There is currently no further news regarding the Open Beta release we are working towards. This months Q&A is much smaller than usual, since much of last months discussion was taken up by people discussing multiboxing rather than asking questions. Remember, we don't just make up these questions, we're answering to the community. If you don't ask, we can't answer. As part of last months discussion on multiboxing, we have released a final decision regarding multibox rules. Please see this thread here. General Are you following actual retail precedent with your node pooling system or should we expect that areas that used to have only copper nodes for example, will spawn copper nodes as well as other things - or is it being changed so that what actually spawns in certain areas could be anything? Our intention is to keep the same types of resources in the same areas. You won't see an iron node where you used to see a copper node. The system is designed only to randomize the exact location of a node from a single point to somewhere with a pathable radius of that point, and to randomize the spawn timers. Players grinding in an area should see roughly the same amount of resources as they are used to, but more randomly placed, so as to interfere with spawn camping and farming bots. How fast will the launch of new raids / expansions happen? We intend to release a new raid every four months, give or take. Expansions are obviously a much larger step and will involve careful monitoring of server progress before we make the move to a new expansion. We could roughly estimate 1.5 years from Vanilla to TBC, but that remains a very rough estimate that could change in either direction depending on development and player progress. Any ideas or clues to how you will handle Vanilla duration or will you run the server 100% blizzlike and run vanilla to TBC the same amount of days blizzard did? We anticipate progressing to TBC around 16-24 months after release. Raid bosses have had the amount of loot dropped per kill increased per kill during vanilla and once again during TBC: will Crestfall emulate the changes to the amount of drops as vanilla/TBC progresses through the patches or will bosses use their final settings for drops per kill right from the start? Our intention is to use the 1.12 drop tables for all bosses in 20/40 man content. What if you play alliance on PvP realm, and have horde char in PvE realm and the PvE Realm gets merged into the PvP realm, what then ? Horde and alliance on PvP realm? We will consult with the community and make a decision on this at a future point should the necessity ever arise. Of course, we hope to maintain two viable servers and never have to merge. Will Talisman of Binding Shard drop on Crestfall server? Once per server. Will fleeing mobs be snareable? This is one of those annoying bugs that all p-server have. Yes, they are. There is still currently a bug where if you cast something on a mob that is fleeing due to low health, the snare (or other effect) applies, but the mob will immediately stop fleeing and re-aggro you. One more item for the list . I read that you will limit 2 accounts active at a time per IP. If there are multiple persons living together like my roommates and I in the same house can we send in a petition to allow more access without being blocked or banned from implemented protocols? We have not yet decided entirely on the 2 account/IP limit yet and remains conjectural. This will be clarified and announced prior to launch. It may be that only two people will be allowed to access the server at a time from any given IP address. If we choose to do that, there will be no exceptions considered, since we would have no way of knowing if you are legitimately requesting access for humans, or just botting/multiboxing. The reality of the situation is that we are willing to break some eggs in order to make this omelette. Classes How do druid hots work on Crestfall? Will for example any rejuvination with the same rank overwrite another, or will the druid with the most +healing have a rejuvination that is impossible to overwrite from the others? I have heard arguments that both were the cases in vanilla, and I'm pretty confused to be honest. Any HoT spell will overwrite another HoT spell of the same rank, regardless of talents or gear. It is up to the healers in the group to ensure they are placing their heals efficiently without wasting their mana, and ensuring the best heals go on the targets that need them. Questing Will your TBC realm have a similar launch state in regards to locked quests/zones/instances as your vanilla realm? The TBC launch is far enough away that we have not finalized any plans of that nature. It would be fair to conjecture that we will launch TBC in it's pre-nerf state, with the full attunement chains required for access to the higher tiered raid dungeons, and have the top tier raids locked until further into the timeline. Q&A 5 will be scheduled for next month (August), date as yet undecided. Q&A 5 will be led by other team members as I will be on holiday at the time. This will be communicated to you all in due course.
  3. Just a small message to say I will be leaving my Crestfall Staff and Beta Tester positions. This week I am leaving the UK for a month long holiday to the states and will be essentially MIA for the duration. Due to the expansion of communication alluded to in Darkrasps recent update here, Crestfall is now taking applications for Moderators and more Community Managers. As I was always intending to step down once we were on the road to release and was essentially filling in for the absent Inari, it seems right that this is as good as time as any to make the transition permanent. I'll continue to stick to the NDA I agreed to when I entered the beta way back in January despite the fact I'm no longer participating here. I continue to support the guys and expect them to make a success of CF when it releases.
  4. Welcome mate.
  5. The aim remains to release this year. No target month has been given, and one will not be given until we are 110% sure we will hit said target. Locked.
  6. Rule #1. Always post in English. Sorry, going to have to permaban you. Them's the breaks.
  7. This shut down is definitely not something to gloat over. Regardless of any personal feelings for/against Gummy or his project that any one may have, we should all acknowledge the loss of work that has happened. This will be hundreds, if not thousands of man hours lost that could have gone back into the Mangos public repository.
  8. Welcome to Crestfall! For clarification - We are currently planning on releasing at the 1.2 state, meaning Maraudon will be available during the 1-60 leveling experience. Dire Maul (1.3), the PvP System (1.5) and finally BWL (1.6) will all be unavailable at release. This has been our plan since the beginning. Should that change, it will be announced.
  9. While one staff member is from the USA, no staff members live there.
  10. Without singling anyone out, a casual reminder of rule #2. While the OP may not be relevant for day #1 release content due to availability issues, it is a perfectly valid list for recommended items once everything is out. Maybe an extra sentence clarifying that in the OP would have been useful but that's no reason to shoot the messenger. Debate the content, not the person.
  11. Response is being drafted as we speak. Throttle down the conspiracy theories, while some elements of the post are factual, the vast majority is couched in some rather malicious lies. We're able to refute pretty much everything said on a point by point basis.
  12. I have been summoned. Tremble mortals, Ph'nglui mglw'nath Elicas R'yleh wgah'nagl fhtagn. Just caught up on all of this. 1: You're wildly off topic, if you want to talk politics take it to a relevant thread. However; 2: There has been no insulting or flaming, no reports of any content in this thread and everyone is being behaved. I see no reason to lock the thread or assign any sanctions of any kind. Get back to discussing net neutrality. Good job acting like mature adults. Specifically for @Lilaina but it goes for everyone - if someone makes throwaway accounts to send you shit - please report it! We track IP's and as one person found out recently, a forum IP ban on one account will affect all accounts from said IP. Don't create alt accounts to troll with. If your main account also gets banned it's tough shit.
  13. You're on the list.
  14. Ok, we're all starting to gear up for release now. We know that Beta is coming "Soon!"TM, we know that unless something pushes release back that the guys were aiming for end of the year, so we have less than 3 months until we'll be starting on Zul'Dare. This topic is for those who want to create a fast leveling group for professions come release. Guilds going for server first MC will already be arranging this, so this is the chance for those of us who don't have a guild sorted out yet to start organising. The basic idea is thus; we have a chain of people, freely sharing trade materials in return for much faster profession leveling, rapid enhancement and quick end game gearing once we hit 60. Crafters agree to craft for a Gatherer with whatever mats the Gatherer can supply to the Crafter, for free, no questions asked. This leads to Crafters powerleveling their professions much faster, giving the Gatherers more of a end game audience for their wares much quicker. For example, I'm playing a Feral Druid, so I''ll be taking Enchanting (for the Tank trinket) and a Gathering profession (probably Herbalism). This means anyone who wishes to trade me greens to DE, knows they can come to me for free enchants from day 1. I'll then be sending my Herbs on to an Alchemist, knowing that they will then craft potions/elixirs/whatever for me for free. Thus, we pass along the goods and everyone levels that little bit faster. @Outstanding touched on the idea of a guild based around a similar concept, but this is more for planning out that first week and not losing time on the initial rush. Crafters Alchemists Cell007 Hybris Bobthebomb LorewalkerCho Blacksmiths Enchanters Elicas Engineers Bobthebomb Eldarion Leatherworkers Tailors Warrenslife Cell007 Wampa Jernicho Gatherers Herbalism Elicas Hybris Bobthebomb Lorewalkercho Mining Bobthebomb Eldarion Skinning Warrenslife Wampa
  15. Starts around 1:09 - spell delay was implemented on the alpha more than 6 months ago and is fully blizzlike. Clear bugs such as this should be fixed prior to release, though it is possible that some will slip through the cracks. We are not aiming for 100% blizzlike, we are aiming for what we call "Blizzlike +". There have been some changes beyond the scope of a blizzlike server to make what we consider long term improvements to the state of 1.12.1 vanilla. We operate on the basis of removing all class bugs if possible, including beneficial ones. Specifically for rets, this means things like Consecrate getting a bonus from AP and multiple versions of the same judgement stacking have already been squashed.
  16. There isn't one. However, coming into the Paladin forum to bash on Paladins you disagree with who have proved over the years on private servers that they can tank/dps with "non-viable" builds will get you sanctioned. There may not have been many top end Paladin tanks in 04-06. There have been more than a few who have raid tanked, from Feenix, to Nost, to Kronos, to Elysium. JCarill0 never said in this thread that this was optimal, never said that Paladin tanks were better than any other class and never made any overriding statements about ret DPS compared to other classes. It was simply a thread to say "We, as a class, can do X using nothing but our Class". However I will point you towards rule #2. The overwhelming point of my post however, was that any team consisting of 5 Paladins already understands most of the cons you are complaining about. They're already playing the class. I wont repeat myself ad infinitum. Disagree politely as much as you like. Foster the discussion. Minimize your whataboutary and bashing however.
  17. A blast from the past, so to speak. This link is for the Aggramar Small Guild Alliance board, with a link to their classic boards. ASGA was an alliance of small guilds on Aggramar EU, who would group up to raid and use the board to share boss tactics in order to help each other progress. Some of the bigger guilds on the server would also occasionally lend experienced raiders or raid leaders in order to help the alliance progress. For those new to Vanilla, it gives some excellent insight into what people went through back then. - click here for link. This is the link to Risens' (Alleria US) archive of vanilla posts. It shows the thoughts, raid updates and progression of a guild getting servers first, and in some cases pushing for world kills (AQ40 & Naxxramas). It also has some very interesting posts regarding boss tuning during the release of those old classic instance. - - click here for link. Anyone got some great classic links or archives from back in the day? Been trying to find some DnT or Nihilum archives of the earlier stuff, but I've not had much luck.
  18. Thread is now locked and questions have been submitted to the devs. We anticipate having Q&A 4 up on Sunday, though Asura is away for most of the rest of the week due to business so there is the potential that this next update will be delayed pending approval. If this happens I will endeavor to have Q&A 4 posted Monday/Tuesday next week. Q&A 5 is scheduled for Sunday 13th August. Questions for Q&A 4 can be submitted via the usual channels, either directly to the CM team or as replies to Q&A 4. Q&A 5 will be posted by either @rooted or by @Darkrasp, as I will be away for most of August. @rooted will be covering CM duties until I return. As always, the staff thanks you for your continued interest in Crestfall.
  19. Good afternoon Crestfallen and welcome to Q&A 3. All questions for this Q&A were taken from replies to the last Q&A post. As always, we'd like to remind you all that questions regarding a release date will be ignored and that Asura currently remains committed to a 2017 release. You will be the first ones to know about the release date as we approach it. There is currently no further news regarding the Open Beta release we are working towards. General What technical options are we going to have to make donations and how are you going to discern a donation to the PvE server from a donation to the PvP server? Cash donations are a given, and I believe the admins have the intention of accepting BTC, and perhaps other forms of alt-coin. We haven't really discussed donations much as a team because it isn't relevant at this point. Just brainstorming, don't quote me on this, but I'd think that we might include a survey with the donation form that we could use for informational purposes, if nothing else. Reality at the end of the month is that we have a bill which needs paying and the donations from that month are going to pay for it, however, it would be good to know where we're getting the best and worst value based on the survey responses about what is and isn't motivating people to play and donate. How long do you expect the Open Beta to run for? Currently, we do not have a time frame decided on. Open Beta will last until we are satisfied the server is in a good condition for launch. Will the Open Beta be 1x exp rates, expecting all testers to level up from scratch? While all testers will be required to create a level 1 character, Asura anticipates running Open Beta at an increased EXP rate to facilitate the leveling process and speed up testing. We will also have GMs and developers who will instant-level players as necessary if we need specific content tested. Will you be testing all content like Naxx etc during Open Beta? We anticipate having a large collection of content open for testing, but in stages. We want to proceed methodically through content testing, so while we may test raid scripting, it will be among the last things we do. As well, we will not likely allow players to test the "final" version of our raid and dungeon content, as we reserve the right to retune the difficulty after players have ensured the base mechanics are sound. Will there be consideration of community 'events' or 'give aways' of TCG items since there won't be an "item shop" of any kind? It is unlikely that we will decide upon TCG item giveaways before launch. This is because the "Vanity Store" remains a possible future option should donations not cover the cost of running the CF servers. How well will the server/s perform under the stress of what may very well be a high pop world event like the AQ opening? We expect the servers to preform fine under stress. Keep in mind that we are capping our population, and the software and hardware we are using should have no problem preforming at our decided-upon caps. I assume there will be a wipe of sorts after the open beta, to level the playing field for full release. Just to be safe, is that the case? Yes, all Beta characters and accounts will be permanently wiped before launch. Have you considered making any changes to the way neutral city guards behave? places like Winterspring, Booty Bay, Tanaris and a few others tend to be crowded with players who have figured out ways to either bug, kite or glitch these guards and this is giving them the option to kill players in these sort of zones without any threat being posed to them due to the guards being stuck in place or w/e it could be. Thought about prolonging the hostile timer on these type of guards or anything of that kind? This hasn't been brought up before, so can't really answer as we have never discussed it internally. I suppose it's something we could look at if it becomes a serious problem in beta or after launch. Will we be able to have characters from both factions on one account? This was only available on PvE servers, and that will be the case on Crestfall as well. No cross-faction accounts on the PvP server. Just to be clear, what counts as multiboxing? For example; Will we still be able to enchant our alts, checking AH prices with Bank alt with 2nd Client running? Without any 3rd Program? +Will it be possible to set low level alt on follow and run a low level dungeon? Multiboxing, in our definition, is using third-party hardware or software in order to control multiple clients simultaneously. If you push one button and two accounts react, you're cheating. Alt-tabbing to a separate client which is also manually controlled isn't considered multiboxing. That said, running multiple accounts on follow, even if they aren't being simultaneously controlled, is liable to draw multiboxing reports from other players, and a GM may take action - we're going to err on the side of removing cheaters, not tolerating "not technically cheaters". Characters need to be manually controlled when interacting with world. There is a recurrent problem when playing with different client. Example : -I play with a French Client, but i can't see peoples chat on /1, /2 because they use English Client, so /world become the only solution to communicate. Do Crestfall have a solution for this kind of problems? Not sure about this one. I know we built the server to support multiple clients, and I believe the chat system is integrated for all clients. I'd advise asking this question again for the next Q&A when Asura is back from vacation. Any news about the website? The status of the website has not been changed since Q&A1. It will be available before launch, but it is a non-priority over server development at this time. During the beta, how will bug reporting be handled and what will the procedure be? ie. only opened internally etc. or opened to the public for view and comments so we can help research and discuss. Will CFG host its own bug tracking site or use something like github? Crestfall has a bugtracker site which is not currently public and we are aiming to clear all bugs on that tracker before Open Beta. Once Open Beta launches, we will be using a new, publicly viewable and available bug tracker. Will you be implementing any Training Dummies? Training dummies don't exist in the Vanilla client, and we have no intention of adding any custom NPCs to replace their function at this time. What is Crestfalls stance on purging old accounts/characters as you move through the PTE experience? We haven't discussed this internally at all. We can approach it from a few perspectives, either reserving all character names during a progression, or only reserving names of the characters that flag for transfer (on the new realm), with it being first-come-first-serve after that. I suppose it would depend on what the community wants. This is something we will investigate further when we get closer to progression. Reserving them all seems like the preferable option at first glance, less drama that way, but again, I haven't thought about it either way. Have you any plans for dealing with faction imbalance? At this time, we have no plans to add any non-Blizzlike changes to attempt to balance the factions. Should Asura make a decision to make a custom change, it will be a significant public announcement. Faction balance is something we will be keeping an eye on at all times, however due to the nature of this as a PTE project, we expect the factions will be more balanced than a traditional Vanilla-only realm, due to the changes in the relative strength of the factions in each expansion. Has a decision been made yet about what will happen to old content when you PTE to a new expansion? Will the nerf bat be swung? As of yet, a final decision has not been made. A decision on the final balance for each expansions content will be made when we are ready to push the new expansion. This will allow us to look at the stats for things like; % of the population actively raiding, % of the population clearing the final raid successfully, population stats, etc. Will you add EXP locking for twinks before patch 3.2? This is highly unlikely. A large part of the challenge of twinking pre-explock was getting the gear you needed and the quests completed without over-levelling yourself. Which online database are you using? We are not using any currently existing online database. Darkrasp has recreated the loot database by hand, using multiple research sources to create what we believe to be the most accurate loot database yet. In the case of drop rates, we have generally erred on the side of lower rather than higher for any drop rates that we did not have detailed information for. How often will you be pushing fixes to the live realms, daily, weekly or monthly? Our patch timetables have not yet been discussed. However, it is likely that we will have weekly or bi-weekly bug patches, with more critical issues being hotfixed as soon as possible. Are you planning on running a PTR server to test every patch before deployment? If you do, will you have a Q&A team like your current beta testers, or will it be public? Asura has plans for running a PTR server. It is likely we will assemble a QA team to do the testing, for the simple reason that people whose job is to test typically do better quality testing than those who just want to preview content. What are your plans if Crestfall cannot pay for itself? Will you open the core up open source or collaborate with other projects? Asura has indicated he would be open to open sourcing the core, or at least significant parts of it, should the situation warrant it. Should we run into funding issues, we will simply pare back the scope of the project to something that we can afford. If that means merging realms or limiting the population further to reduce bandwidth costs, it will be regrettable, but better than throwing in the towel altogether. Is there any further information or clarifications about what will be happening with the "Expansion forever" servers for CF? I believe this has been covered before. Please see this thread for a detailed response. If you have further questions, please ask something more specific. Can you explain how mining works on your servers in regards to things such as node spawn locations, respawns and loot tables? Node spawn locations will use the pooling and randomization system described before. Loot tables have been built manually and should be an accurate reflection of Vanilla drop tables for those objects. Raid Tuning Will Ragnaros be immune to taunt? There was a bit of a drama on Nost about this, cos some ppl claimed that Ragnaros was immune to taunt before nerfs and other insisted that he wasn't. I'm curious about Your data on this. Our research indicates that Ragnaros is not immune to taunt. That being said, will C'thun be scripted so that he isn't bugged like he was back in vanilla but still poses a nice challenge instead of being unnecessarily nerfed so a repeat of the aforementioned can hopefully be avoided? We intend to have a non-bugged and challenging C'thun encounter. No unnecessary nerfs. As mentioned in a previous post, we are likely to release raid content in a highly overtuned state. Because the first people in are almost always the most prepared and practiced, having it more difficult at first gives them a greater challenge. After a brief period of time has elapsed, we will reduce the difficulty to our intended state so that, while still challenging, the content is accessible to more than just the top percentage of players. The exact handling of this is not finalized and we may discard the idea altogether, but that is the current thinking. Questing Will you consider fixing the "A Crew Under Fire" quest from Azshara which Blizzard left bugged for an unknown reason? Maybe it could give some exp on completion, maybe a bunch of silver? Probably not. This was a very strange repeatable quest for sure, in that it offered no reward whatsoever, not even reputation. However, altering quest rewards, even in bizarre cases like this one, is a rabbit hole we don't want to enter. So... Can we expect questlines like: Marg Speaks or Job Opening: Guard Captain of Revantusk Village (along with 3 others Jintha'alor elite quests) exist on CF from very begining? I'm not familiar with these quests off the top of my head, but in general, we are only going to disable endgame-related content at launch. Can we get a list of zones/questlines/etc that are/aren't implemented for launch. I'll answer this just off the top of my head, these are the things I remember having disabled or changed. The list may be incomplete but I think you'll get the idea. - High-level items added to drop tables in 1.9 and beyond have been removed (Spellweaver's Turban, Don Mauricio's Band, etc.) - High-level items whose stats were altered in 1.9 and beyond have been reverted to their pre-1.9 stats (Epic PvP gear, Ban'thok sash, etc.) - Random properties have been altered to their release values for spell damage and healing, this affects random property green items almost exclusively and is a significant nerf. - Cenarion Hold has been largely despawned - no Cenarion Circle quests will be available - Yojamba Isle has been largely despawned - no Zandalar Tribe quests will be available - Light's Hope Chapel has had questgivers related to Naxxramas removed - The D2 item set questgivers have been despawned - The level 50 class quests have been disabled - Certain reputation items have been removed from drop tables (Winterfall Spirit Beads, Glowing Scorpid Blood, Savage Frond, Twilight Texts, etc.) - Certain reputation rewards have been removed from vendors (2H Agility Enchant, Ironbark Staff, etc.) - Darkmoon Cards have been removed from drop tables There may be a few other things changed or yet to be changed, but this is a fairly comprehensive sampling. Most of these things will be restored when we do the big update around the time of the AQ release. Raid or reputation-specific changes will be reverted as the relevant content is released And that's all for this Q&A! Q&A 4 is due Sunday 16th July. Please submit any questions you have for Q&A 4 below this post.
  20. Essentially; Class mechanics, spells, talents, their effects and how everything on the server works is part of the core or how the core interacts with the database information. Quests, mobs, stuff inside dungeons, RP events and the like is all done by a script (either LUA, C+ or SQL database scripting) and is nearly all done in a database. Gummy's scripting is absolutely top notch and always has been. His core work remains to be scrutinized outside of the beta. It's possible it is also top notch.
  21. Lets not turn this into another bash the Paladins thread. It goes without saying that any team consisting of 5 paladins knows full well what they're getting into and the pros/cons of running with Paladin DPS/Tank.
  22. I'm generally interested since Gummy has always been a good scripter. I'm less convinced about his core work, which in the past was always Mangos + hack fixes with SC1 + 2. I'll judge it if I play it. What's got me on the fence currently is only 1 PvP server announced. If the population gets big, it'll either be a) a nightmare to play in outland or b) crash a lot. If he opens a PvE server I'll try it out, otherwise i'll give it a month or so to see how it settles in.
  23. More than 50 people have active access currently.
  24. A reminder that this thread will be closed this evening and questions taken for Sundays Q&A 4. Please ask any questions you want answered this cycle ASAP.
  25. gear guide

    This isn't really applicable for a single class forum, since it also works as a gearing guide for Paladin tanks. I've actually had the Druid one done on the Druid class forum for a long while now, that's just one of those long running in-jokes on these boards that everyone forgets about the Druid tank when discussing Warrior/Paladin tanking