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Outstanding

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  1. https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/54584-darkrasps-blog-9182017/
  2. Yeah, well I miss writing them. Contrary to what people may think, there is zero difference between the perspective of the old community heads and the developers of Crestfall in terms of what we wanted to happen. The issue is just about where we are now and how we got there. There is a huge, massive requirement for a kick-ass Pserver version of Warcraft as per the Benedict core, a PTE philosophy, and a mature, committed community prepared to regulate itself through a panel of gamesmasters with a shared philosophy. The potential was huge.
  3. Greets. Maybe not quite the right topic to suit the realm discussion forum but I hate blank canvasses so there you go. So it strikes me that there will be a lot of visitors to this forum that actually have never played WoW (hard to believe, I know) or have never experienced the dubious 'pleasures' of Vanilla. I also feel that it's likely that employees, representatives and camp followers of retail may turn up from time to time to keep an eye on things and consider a C&D order against, what the hell, KUL TIRAS. So I don't have any right to represent the players, the GM's, the administrators or the developers being just a simple player, and a poor one at that (but so good at irony), so I will speak for myself as to why I want to play vanilla wow, and why I want to play on this server with this engine. More learned, eloquent, experienced and passionate individuals can post hereafter, should they wish to do so. I plead a cathartic need to express myself. 1. I'm old. Well, 51 isn't THAT old but it probably puts me in the wrong 5% chronologically. More particularly, it puts me at an age where my formative years in gaming predates MMO's and most computer games. I mean, when I was a teenager, Space Invaders was the most awesome electronic experience you could have - although I preferred pinball to be honest. So when I was experiencing gaming, it was through RPG's like Basic D&D, Runequest, Traveller et al. Most of my peers who also play WoW would spend years in RPG campaigns as a cooperative measure of gaming experience that gave us all a lot of interpersonal skills as an unseen bonus, friendships for life, as well as a grounded love of fantasy and SF. A progression to computer games as an alternative to RPG's was a no-brainer, but all of them were First Person and so never replicated the cooperative and social aspects of RPG's 2. I love WoW. Luckily for me, I never had to go through early MMO's like Ultima, Age of Camelot and Everquest - which I'm sure were fine, but not a patch on WoW. No, I went straight to university when a bunch of us decided we would pick one MMO and just get a taster for what this new fangled computer game was like. It was a lot different then. First of all, none of us knew what the fuck we were doing. Most of us were Night Elves and half of us were Druids. We all thought Darkshore was a normal quest area. We didn't have Interfaces or add-ons. We were awful in instances and generally avoided them. PvP was scary, if we got into a fight with Horde we panicked and spammed Levitate or some other useful spell. We were, sorry some of us were, just terrible players. But. We. Had. Fun. There is a quest in Teldrassil called 'Relics of Wakening'. It is an awful quest in a cave system with rapidly spawning mobs, hard to locate NPC's and nearly everyone in the area is drawing adds or just getting in the way. I completed it the first time because some Romanian 17th level warrior insisted on making us a group (I didn't know how) and killing every mob as an escort until I was finished. His English was slightly better then my Romanian but we got through it. I had never, and have since never, experienced the love, comradeship, friendship and downright humanity in a gaming interface as I discovered through WoW. And all of this was on underpowered computers and crappy internet connections. 3. The WoW expansions. Burning Crusade is the single greatest gaming expansion of all time. It is the Godfather II of gaming sequels to the Godfather. It was the perfect example of what made WoW, WoW, and the biggest feather in the cap of Blizzard that they will ever have (sorry Hearthstone, Overwatch). Burning Crusade represents my apogee in WoW. A Drenai Shaman, a farmer, a fisherman, Karazhan, guilds, camaraderie, interfaces, PuG's, Flying Mounts, Daily quests (eventually) and even PvP. The single most enjoyable online gaming experience I have ever had. It's not that the game was necessarily easier (I always leveled to 60 first as Hellfire was such a chore), but at least you only had to get 10 more levels (or 70 as a new race) and the increase in professions was relatively easy. But it was just the same, but only better. 4. The decline and fall of the Blizzard Empire. It didn't happen overnight. WotLK had its faults (like DK's) but it was a natural progression. Cataclysm on the other hand was wisely named and I didn't even bother with Mists or WoD. The game was not the same. Funny thing was, we tried other MMO's but none of them lasted and we all got tired of them pretty quickly. Most of us had work commitments, or family and social commitments, or plain just grew up. And yet....and yet....there was always a fire burning for the good old times. Now we knew the past was never going to be the same, for many reasons. We were eventually, better players. Our grasp of economics was sound. We knew how to multitask and maximise efforts and minimise the workload. But secretly we all wanted to go back to those halcyon days where men were real men and Taurens were real cows. Often I would go on Blizzard forums and read the posts from other, similar players, who wanted to experience vanilla and early expansions. Always there would be a response from a blue saying basically it wasn't physically possible, it would cost too much, you wouldn't like it, YOU THINK YOU DO BUT YOU DON'T. There would be a plethora of younger players trying to encapsulate why anyone would want to wait until L40 to get a mount. Or have 40 man raids. Or what world PvP might be like. Under the Blizzard hegemony they would never know. 5. Dad, have you ever heard of Nostalrius? It's a private vanilla WoW server and I'm just dinged L12. Well no I hadn't. I had never even thought of looking for private servers. I didn't even know what Reddit was. But there I was, after a very short download in Tedrassil hearing that wonderful music again. It nearly brought a tear to my eye. No seriously, I was chopping onions there, very sensitive so I am. Then it was easy, got a good friend over and then ensnared enough RL mates to do instances. Downloaded Mumble and the boys were back in town. But not as we know, for long. So when the C&D shut down Nost it really pissed me off. OI moved on to other private servers but none of them worked for me, bad latency, PvP only, tiny populations. Always, I joined when the servers were mature, never got the chance to start from scratch. 6. And then came Crestfall. So this was it. This was the one I could get involved with from the start. This was a version of Vanilla where it was going to go out all present and correct. No stone would be left unturned. You can tell. The whole forum breathes professionalism. These are my kind of people. This is my home. Either this works out and I stay here as long as it exists or it doesn't and I will never play WoW again. I want to play vanilla WoW because it is a completely better and different version of the game to current retail. I want to play vanilla WoW because I have paid my dues to Blizzard in purchasing expansions and monthly subscriptions. I don't owe you anything anymore, you have no say over me. I will never play on official Blizzard legacy or vanilla servers because a) they don't understand and will never get it right and b) they'll never do it anyway. YOU THINK YOU DO BUT YOU DON'T I want to play on Crestfall because I trust these guys and I know they get it. So those of you antipathetic to Vanilla, or Private Servers, or looking for their pound of corporate flesh, I have no argument with you. Your opinion is as worthy as mine. But I challenge you to express yourselves as forthrightly and passionately as we do. For those of you who never experienced WoW, or vanilla, come join us and see what all the passion is about. And if you are failing Relics of Awakening, PM me in game, and I'll take you though it and return the favour I still owe.
  4. With little respect, what have you done for the vanilla community and otherwise?
  5. There is no chance that Elysium could actually bring out a decent working core with TBC on it. They have no ability for innovation, everything they've done has been borrowed from other Pservers. As you know, there has never been a decent TBC core. So where are they going to beg/borrow/steal it from? It's a bullshit statement from a bullshit franchise. It's known that the team here were working on a TBC variant using the new core. To that end, there is some development on a TBC realm in terms of structure and the DB. But none of this is transferable over to Elysium in any significant way. I was always puzzled how Crogge was going to fit in with all this. His stated aim was to use the Benediction core to allow him a standalone TBC variant under his own brand ''Legacy Crusade'' There was a forum on this, now removed, here http://forums.legacy-crusade.com/index.php?/forum/3-legacy-crusade/ But how was this going to get any decent population from CF? After all, while people love TBC, most would happily move onto WotLK and beyond, making Crogge's realm a cultural backwater in non-PTE-ness. The answer to this of course was his footsie playing skills with Shenna. This brought us the shit that was Legacy Gaming Network, and now the takeover merger of CF and Elysium. So it's very much a dalliance of a large number of freeloaders on one side (Elysium) and a small number of brilliant innovators/hard workers on the other (CF). This is the equivalent of an arranged marriage. Pristine, college educated and beautiful daughter marrying some lecherous tribal lord with money and connections. There will never be an Elysium TBC realm before 2019. It will be Crogge's original standalone server. It will be based on Benediction. BTW, someone is working very hard on Reddit wowservers to edit out negative opinion. This was removed with no explanation given and no option to reformat: https://www.reddit.com/r/wowservers/comments/6v9cdu/the_elysium_take_down_of_crestfall/
  6. Except it does. The people who quit on the project are the community managers of this world, because they see no future in the CF community there. It's not Crestfall after all. Neither Elicas nor I have anything against CF, after all, we put our hearts and souls into it, this isn't bitter resentment, it's a factual assessment from those that understand what the project had to offer (new PvE realm, anyone?) and now feel obligated to give a damning assessment of how things currently stand, because we feel we're actually qualified to do so. The fact that Wyke, one of the very few calm, neutral and factual-based observers in Pservers - he's played extensively on all of the major and minor ones - won't touch the project with a 10' barge pole - reaffirms all the negative and depressed sentiment here. It saddens me to see the increasing amount of rearranging of deckchairs on this Titanic by people who should know better at this stage.
  7. Correctly scripted fish too.
  8. Asura says lots of stuff, but he physically does very little and never lives up to his promises. You can interpret ''more or less at his level '' in many different ways.
  9. So a simple message to coin a well-worn WoW analogy. I would happily throw myself under a bus for Darkrasp. I would happily use the same bus to run over* Asura, Crogge and all their fellow travelers who greased their egos and pandered to their whims knowing full well this ''hobby project'' was going nowhere. This was the last great hope of the Pserver community. To understand why, you'd have to have been on this long journey of the soul with us. The great regret is that the answers to unlock the project and make it work were here all along. Collectively all of us would have taken our turn on the wheel to get it over the line. But we were never asked, never challenged, never appreciated, never loved. We are just left with the empty sadness of what might have been. *figuratively
  10. That's simply not the case. What you are talking about are things that might come to pass, with a fair wind and everything working out grand. Well, it doesn't work that way. The only thing we can go on is the previous track record of Crestfall. The past record of Crestfall is one of constant failures and missed targets. Like him or loathe him, Asura has more talent in his left pinky than all the developers in Elysium. I don't buy for one minute that he's suddenly going to become wonderfully productive now that he's resigned the lead developer/project manager role. No doubt, something will come out at some stage, who knows when. All we know is that it won't be what was originally envisaged, that which we happily signed up for. Whatever it is, will be swamped by Elysium players, and all the community folk here who built the forums will have long left. Whoever you are, you were never part of this community. We don't need to be patronised or chided when we express our opinions based on the experiences we have had here as a community. It takes time and effort to build something special, and only a few minutes to tear it down.
  11. Actually, it's our community, not theirs. That's the definition of community.
  12. Yeah, well you're entitled to your opinion just like I'm entitled to mine. Now if you don't mind, I'm busy playing No Mans's Sky. Bye.
  13. Certainly one of the hardest workers I've come across. So glad you're sticking to the NDA as well. Look forward to the next community manager announcement.
  14. You're more than welcome in continuing to entertain yourselves with your ad hominem comments and amateur psychoanalysis. I'll just stick to the facts... I spent 12 months helping to build up this community. The reward was to become the community manager and a beta tester - special assignment fishing I spent two weeks going through the fishing and associated bugs and two weeks getting mightily concerned and then depressed about the management and structure of the project When it became clear that the choice was to betray the staff by voicing my concerns or betray the community by pretending everything was fine, I resigned. This is called a conflict of interest. I offered to inform the community of the reasons why I quit but only if the NDA was removed. As that offer wasn't made I kept my mouth shut for the last 12 weeks. I left all Discord channels. Only when I received a PM and about the reddit post and someone started a thread followed by people asking me direct questions did I respond. I now ignore the NDA as the reddit thread specifically mentions me three times and ties me in with the opinion piece. Besides, most of the opinions broadly mirror my own, without the vulgarities. I know who the reddit poster is, so does the staff management. It will be of minor interest how they handle the situation. At all times I have behaved with integrity and decency. I still have huge respect for the staff, management and developers. It could still be released, at some stage. Unfortunately, the Pserver window has moved on from where we were one year ago, six months ago, three months ago and now into the future. These things happen, I'm off doing different things now and enjoyed my time here. I still love the community but it's been dying for some time now. Goodbye.
  15. As long as Asura controls all the choke points on this project it will fail.
  16. Yeah, I think there's a misconception here. The whole point about CF was the differences between it and other similar projects. This is apparent by the forums and the community. For me the key to CF was that it was based on a whole new core and not a C&P MaNGOS version that someone made occasional tweaks to, or a ''merged'' core we borrowed from another project who did far more work than we're competent in doing. Then you have the PTE issue. Most, if not all servers contend themselves by sticking to one vanilla flavour and run the server/realm until it stagnates like a swamp. The ambitions behind CF to have it's own core and PTE shows a scale of ambition and balls unlike anything we've seen before. Hence, you need to have your shit sorted and in good order, a realistic timeline, successful task completion points and so forth. The Pserver scene is littered with many failures and few successes, so if the argument is that CF is no different in the way it goes about its business, then for something more complex and more ambitious you can draw your own conclusions. I guess the community - whom I do not represent - will hope that the current reality check will enforce a more open and realistic approach in how they manage the project and the optics with their audience.
  17. What I was referring to there was that Darkrasp gives people the updates and you can trust him in the sense he's not going to lie. Nobody really lies from the core staff. They might be terribly optimistic, naive and trusting. But unlike other servers/realms they won't lie to you. Elicas is different in that he takes a more aggressive tone, even on himself. He also has the expertise. So you would have him in the team as a no-holds supervisor if people were slacking or not doing their job.
  18. Placeholder. For more information: Back once Beta is released based on feedback
  19. So C&D comes in differing flavours. People use C&D as a one-size-fits-all usage but I know there are varying levels of seriousness. This ranges from the generic cut & paste sent to the host provider by Mr A-Z solicitor representing their esteemed clients Activision Inc. Then there's the letter delivered by your local policeman to you in your home that he requires your signature on. You can be very blasé if you are living in rented accommodation with no material goods, but it's a different story when you have tangible assets like a house, a business and a family. Then, it's not so sunny and light any more. It is the latter that happened to Nostalrius and happened again after the ''core merge'' with Elysium. No hobby project is worth losing your livelihood over.
  20. Well the issue here is as follows. This project has been on the go for well over a year, and in all that time there have been zip leaks. Think about that. That can only mean that the people in the project had high integrity and exceptional loyalty. There was nothing anyone could do if someone gobbed off. The fact that someone is now gobbing off and is being - broadly speaking - accurate in their assessment can only mean that the project is at crisis point and there's nothing to gain by being schtum.
  21. It was only a question of time before this happened. I will try to keep this < Epic in terms of sheer walls of text as I know you all have a limited attention span to my novellas - possibly with good reason. So, as a preface I think we need to add in some colour as far as my perspective is. One is, as most of you have mocked me before about is my uh....upper echelon in terms of age compared to other gamers. Yes, it is true I have player Asteroid and Space Invaders with your parents. Probably losing to them too. So you'll kind of understand that over 50 it is very much a case of time is money friend. In short, and rather pointedly, you are less inclined to waste your precious time on things with a low payback threshold. The other important thing is that my RL work involves an awful lot of project management. Some I take responsibility for, some I am just another cog in the wheel. I am not saying I am any good, but what I can tell you is that I can go on any project, look and see what's happening and make a valued and pretty accurate judgement. Now, let's go back in time..... (suitable and expensive special effects) So here we are in April 2016 and in a shiny new and surprising excellent forum the Crestfall Community is born. As one of the first here I spend some time bedding myself in before using my usual empathy (+2 mod) and diplomacy (+1) to limpet myself in as a pillar of the community. Not having an in depth knowledge of the game, mechanics, history, coding, DB, scripting or any worthwhile and useful skill is no challenge to this natural born politician's press secretary. Also to be fair, this is a great community, and we all really love the game and only want the best for Crestfall, the community and each other.. So it took the best part of a year for me to get onto the inside track of Crestfall. It was more accident than design that found me in the inner sanctum of the Discord channels as community manager as well as some sort of composite tester - like the fishing and stuff. So as one of the Beta testers I was able to have quite a lot of fun with the .commands and start testing stuff. I also spent about a week keeping my big mouth shut and observing what was happening in terms of the project. From my - and I have to say expert opinion - the project had/has all the signs of being a failure. There are a number of reasons for this, and I'll explain as we go along. What's important to point out is that at all times the intention was to create a v2.0 of warcraft emulation and that all the tools and people were in place to achieve this. I should point out at this stage that signing up to be a beta tester you are obliged to sign an NDA. I have kept my mouth shut about the project for months now, partly down to the NDA as reputation is important, but mostly down to the respect I feel towards those still involved in this project. As people were recruited to the project based on their integrity first and their abilities afterwards, most of us feel the same way. For me, the NDA is now irrelevant based on the current leaker and their opinion piece - by the way I know who it is - but also because there a number of references about me that need to be addressed. (somber music - like Zimmer but with more depth) I left the project because I had a fatal conflict of interest. On the one hand I was community manager, so my job is press secretary for the project by dealing with questions, queries and issues from the community and relaying them to the staff and the answers back to the community. I was also there to represent the community, that meant I was a weather vane/dead canary that was to ensure that we didn't have another Legacy Gaming Network fiasco. Based on a friendly community which it is/was and a committed project team it should have been a doddle. Unfortunately it became clear after a month or two that we had a fatal issue on the project that was never going to rectify itself. Accordingly, I would have had to be ''economical with the truth'' in addressing the community pretending AKA lying that everything was fine when clearly it wasn't. This was something I was not prepared to do, and that's why I quit. How can I represent a community on a project that I am convinced is destined for failure? 12 months of work down the drain. But better cutting and running than going double or quits. So what exactly were the fatal issues involved with the project? it's pretty simple. In any normal project you have......dun dun duhhh! A project manager. They may not be the most important person on the project, but they are the one that makes it work, they are the ones that ensure tasks are completed on time. They are the naggy bastards that make you work all through the night rather that having to hear how disappointed they are with yet another failure and a suggestion that perhaps your job is a little too much for someone of your meager talents. Alas, CF does not have a project manager. Well, it does to the extent that his name is Asura. But the issue here is that Asura is not, and can't be, a project manager. He can't do this job owing to a lack of skillsets and talent, but also because he is lead developer. In any project, the project manager > lead developer/wunderkind/astronaut because the project manager must be able to bring them to task if they are not doing their job or missing deadlines. Any project where the chosen one is also project manager is going to have huge problems in range of conflicts. Added together with Asura's casual attitude to diplomacy, tact and personal interactions and you can hopefully understand that after a very short time it was time to exit stage right and shut down the whole concept that Crestfall was going to be anything like I hoped it would be. Now of course, that was some time ago. When I left I was given the option on staying on in the Discord channels as a sign of trust but I declined. If I was out, I was out fully. What really stuck in my craw was that the tools were in place to actually deliver a superior product in an acceptable time-frame. This is because there are supremely talented individuals on the project. First you have Asura. Regardless of his lack of management and people skills he is a very talented developer. He's also a decent person when he's in a good place. The project is all about him, both on the basis of it succeeding and also on its failure. A real Ying and Yang situation. With a highly able manager he would be or will be someone special - in the correct vernacular. Darkrasp should really be the project manager as he's the JoT of the group. A singularly very impressive individual who is utterly, utterly trustworthy and a paragon of common sense and ability. The person you would really like to have as your next-door neighbour. Elicas has put more time into this project than anyone else, primarily has the most to lose. He's not quite project manager material (Diplomacy -1) but he's forgotten more WoW stuff than the rest of us remember. I know he was lead tester and in charge of the misfits that were testing the project, but he probably did the same as the rest of us combined. Elicas would have put the structure into place that the project would have meshed into. That would have allowed the project manager to judge timelines and tasks in a coherent fashion. Also, critically Elicas is a no-bullshit artist. So if he says someone is not pulling their weight, then their not pulling their weight. One other person was the most talented at all but they would not like me mentioning their name. On top of that, there were 4-5 others who were dependable, knowledgeable and worked hard when required. All the above in the right structure would have delivered the project in an acceptable time-frame. Alas for us, that structure was not there. When I was leaving it was suggested that I was being unreasonable owing to the fact that this was a hobby project. This is 100% bullshit. It is the same 100% bullshit behind people that talk about the server/realm/game being FTP therefore what do you expect? Bottom line is, if a bunch of talented people come together to create something special, then being a bunch of talented people put a plan in place. Populate the plan with people who can enact it. Under promise and over deliver. This isn't the cutting edge of gaming here. The mistakes on this project and to a certain degree, the people on it, are making the same mistakes sometimes by the same people since Warcraft emulation started. I have an excuse, I was never involved in this genre before, many others have without learning from their inadequacies. As for the players, as my Scottish cousins would say ''It's the hope that kills you'' Now I would like to address the elements in the reddit post where I'm named..... Outstanding quit the CM role because Asura is lying to the CF forum community about how far along the project has been all this time Not true really. I quit because at some stage I would be lying to the community and that I was pretty sure the project wasn't going to finish My faith in Asura went out the window about a week after Outstanding left the project. He's a fucking brilliant developer, but he's a completely shit Project Manager and an even worse community rep. There shouldn't be a connect there. I did hope that by leaving it would be the ultimate canary in the coalmine and they would get their act together, but that would be to overvalue my worth by a huge multiple. Frankly, it needs a bigger team. Bringing this up however, is what led to us losing our first main Community Manager. Outstanding was gone about 48 hours after he mentioned it. I'm not so sure about a bigger team. I certainly feel that the core people were more than adequate to succeed in the right roles. However, I do feel that what could have happened was that the community on the forums, and I would have a list of about 20 people, could have been brought in to do all the donkey work, but only if the fixers could keep up. Something that was simply was not happening. There is no moral of the story here. That can only apply when the project launches or they admit it can't be done. There are more important things in life. Happy to hang around and answer specific questions.
  22. Right, if you'll all give me some time I'll post a response on this. It was only a question of time before this happened.
  23. You summoned me? Not with me in it, but I'm back to talk about more important things. Hang on while I write War & War
  24. That's a lot of work @Elicas well done
  25. Greets, So CF is at worst 10 months away. Like us, you have been spending your time on the forums, reddit and discord and now feel vaguely bored and looking for something to do.... Well, Yavannie and I are on Darrowshire PvE at the moment and Yav is trying out tanking for the first time. I'm uh...a little ahead as a Druid and looking to heal for the first time. So this is going to end in a lot of wipes and fun times. Anyways, as you know we are going to form a guild on Zul'Dare and are currently working on a website + forum. We know some of you have expressed an interest in joining and we are looking for officer-type material/good people we like hanging around with. (edit) Oh yes, silly me. Just for variety we are on the alliance side. This is for hysterical historical reasons. I can assure you on CF we will be HORDE with ATTITUDE So at this early stage (Yav is L8), if anyone is interested in coming onboard please join us ASAP. The guild is called ''Leprechaun Apocalypse'' (don't ask) and you can ping Outstanding or Yav for an invite, just introduce yourself first. I'll be honest and say this is an opportunity for me to weed out desireables from non-desirables. So this is a good opportunity for those of you who want to find out the same thing about me. Yav is 100%, we all know that. So, hopefully see you online. Either that or just be bored. Best Outstanding