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  1. So, as a small tidbit tossed to the ravenous community, I've got the go-ahead to do a fishing blog on the beta testing I will be doing on the beta test realm over the next few weeks. Fishing is about the only subject I know that compares with the class testers, even then, I've had to be trained on understanding the DB tables and data I have access to. Also, I've never done Beta testing before and I imagine I'll have a steep learning curve. But it will be amusing for you to see me make mistakes and assumptions and I'm fine with that. So what happens next? First I need to get my invite to the test realm. There is no fixed date on this but we'll assume some stage in April. Second, once I'm in I'll update this section of the blog and post a bump to highlight it. Third, I'll continue to give updates on a regular basis to show you what I've encountered, bugs that I've come across (may need permission for some of these to be highlighted) and keep a track on the amount of time it takes to do a full test. I'll achieve this by editing the thread and bumping it with the update. At the moment the intention is to go through the immersive element of testing by replicating what the players will go through, namely: Test skill-ups 1-300 ensuring that progress is linear depending on your skill level. Test for getaways to ensure they are consistent Test expert and artisan book and quest hub Test skill rating is correct for % catches related to skill level Test every, and I mean every, fishing location to ensure they reflect the correct zone and DB profile Test all associated non-fishing, fishing stuff (quests, items, recipes etc) Double check all valuable fish and associated drop points Update in lovely yellow, well not quite. It would drive you mad especially if you're looking at this on your mobile phone. So back to normal. I've submitted 22 bug reports into the tracker. Of these, 15 relate specifically to fishing, three are related (like missing text from fishing NPC's) and four are random encounters on my travels. Of the 22 bug reports, 2 have been resolved, 9 have been confirmed, 3 have been assigned and the balance still await picking up. Lest you feel this is slow and shoddy work, it's important to point out that the only major bug was resolved in the last push. All the others are classified as minor such as DB issues. People who hate fishing would love fishing on the Beta test realm at the moment. First, casting time is only 20 seconds (that's a TBC legacy issue, it was reduced from patch 2.1). Second, you are guaranteed a catch - the 5% rule where there is no bite is not in effect - at a maximum of 5 seconds per catch. Third, even a getaway (based on your skill and the area) gets you a skill-up. In short, fishing in Crestfall is a breeze. Anyone can get to 300 in a couple of hours. So my job is to ensure that we reverse this to being the complete pain in the arse that it always was. And so this the difference with other servers, the usual bugs aren't there, and ones that work well in other realms don't work here. Hence Beta testing. All of the bugs reported are very easy to fix, because the people who fix them created all this from the start. As a bonus, generally, bug fixes don't tend to create a multitude of other bugs because the devs know what the potential impact will be. The work is long and onerous. For example, the fishing DB is divided by type (inland and coastal) and then by group (of which there is 6). But there is an additional 10 zones on top of that. In group 1 inland along there are 29 separate areas to be checked, all of which should have the same DB in it, but don't. The most common area is perfect except that it contains raw bristle whisker catfish, which should only be found in Group 2. In addition, Bloated Brilliant Smallfish didn't show up at all, and an investigation showed that it was down as the wrong reference number. How did we verify this? We did 500 casts in Crystal Lake, that's how. When we went down to road into Elwynn Forest we should be seeing the same DB, but we're not. We did 250 casts here and the DB error was that our raw bristle whisker catfish was showing up at 18.4%. There should of course be none. All the other testing in that area is working off the same DB as Crystal Lake, so we know after 100+ casts where the issues will be. Hence the chore that is Beta testing. Let's look at some other issues I found... Here we find that we can't loot items from pools.... Here we find that bobbers that are not collected remain in the game even after log off. And here we find that Aquadynamic Fish Attractors while having the correct tool tip of 5 minutes actually last for 30 when applied This is the holistic and immersive part of testing. No point in just being random and doing the bare minimum of making it functional. In Crestfall, we test everything...and then retest it again. If you think this is beyond the call of duty as it's only fishing, you should see the theorycrafting that goes on all night trying to resolve far more important and mathematical challenges. Easter is coming and I sure intend to spend a lot of it testing the bejaysus out of the other fishing groups. Right, just to finish off this review for the sake of completeness. All the above bugs were resolved in double-quick time by Asura/Darkrasp bar the permanent bobbers one. There is an addition problem which is the # of catches required to skill-up is pretty random numbers wise, although there is a linear curve in place. So that's pretty much it. Bugs that are reported get assigned and fixed in pretty good order. Thanks for reading!
  2. So, simple topic, won't take long to run through. As a sidebar, sometimes people are reluctant to post threads on these kinds of forums because they are under the impression that what interests them doesn't cater for anybody else. They might be under the impression that you need to be a hardcore player, or practised in theory-crafting, or programming skills. No. Trust me on this. Post whatever you want. This is a great community and we need thread starters on any and all topics related to WoW. Hey! Don't worry about your English skills. It's my first language and half the time people haven't a clue what I'm on about. Including this thread. Probably. Big Iron Fishing Pole is a +20 BiS for all your fishing needs until the release of Stranglethorn Fishing Extravaganza in Patch 1.7 (Zul'Gurub/Arathi Basin). As this is won't be released for 4-6 months one assumes, and the reward, Nat Pagle's Extreme Angler FC-5000 is only +25 with just one being awarded every week, maximum, this is likely to be your best fishing pole until TBC. Therefore, well worth hunting one down. For those not in the know, maxing your fishing skill by any means possible is critical to ensure you maximise <deleted> from <deleted> in <deleted>* particularly if in direct competition from other anglers. The fishing pole is a rare drop from opening Shellfish traps located in The Veiled Sea just off Shadowprey Village here: For Alliance, not the easiest of farming jobs, it's a long run from Nijel's Point and it's particularly difficult in PvP realms, as not only are you in a Horde quest hub area, one of their quests is actually opening up these shellfish pots. Best to be done on quiet times. If you're not a Warlock or a Druid or some other fancy water-breather get some potions to tide you over. It's best to go in a circle around the pots. Always take whatever is in the pot regardless of worth so that it respawns. The drop chance is 1:100 so you are likely to be there for 2-3 hours on average. So if you are taking water-breathing pots, take 3-4 just in case. For Horde, same as above but life is a lot easier location-wise, make sure you pick up this quest to maximise your time. Undead have a distinct advantage.... Protips - If using Gatherer, it *should* mark where the shellfish traps are, this is server and version dependent. There are air bubble vents around but in my opinion, this tends to distract and delay optimised farming. You can vendor the fishing poles on the AH for a reasonable amount depending on the economy. In Nost PvE they were about 15-20 gold, alliance side. I suspect they would be cheaper on the Horde side, so if you can farm the gold in a shorter time than 2-3 hours you'll need for the shellfish traps, this may be a better option. *What's with all the <deleted> stuff? There is a Fishing community in WoW. The true anglers respect the profession (never a secondary skill) and so even on PvP realms, won't attack each other. There are rules and regulations. One is, never fish from another angler's fishing pool, it's just plain rude. Another one is not to share trade secrets. Big Iron Fishing Pole is pretty well known as they always turn up in the AH. But other stuff stays <deleted>
  3. Step #1: Set up your fishing addons and understand exactly what you will be fishing for. Download and unzip the 1.12.1 compatible version of FishingBuddy. Amongst many other things, this addon allows you to cast your rod by simply right clicking on any water deep enough to fish in (only when you have a rod equipped obviously), mutes world sound and increases the volume of the 'splash' when you have a catch (if toggled in the options), tracks your catches, time spent fishing and a whole host of useful titbits for fishers. I've included the addon as an attachment to this guide. So, fishing is well partnered with cooking, and is one of the better ways of making money. Most people find it boring, and never get it much beyond level ~100 (if they bother with it at all) and you can easily make good gold by farming raid consumables like Sagefish for Sagefish Delight or Deviate Fish for people either gaming the Garr encounter or generally looking for an outfit. Deviates sell slightly better Alliance side than Horde side, simply due to the fact that it's more of a pain to get to Wailing Caverns for them than it is for Horde. Prices range depending on the server, but you're looking at 5g Alliance and 3g Horde currently on K2 for a stack of 20. We're going to presume the following; You're fishing specifically to level your skills, not just for fun. You bought the Fishing Book and Cooking Skill books while leveling. You have several stacks of Lures and the +5 (10) fishing pole to get started with. You've saved your meat from leveling, or already have some points in cooking from leveling. This guide will tell you the best places to go to get the most 'bang for your buck'. You can technically get level 300 fishing without leaving the starter zone except for your training, since it levels off how much stuff you catch, not the difficulty of stuff that you catch. It is important that you level cooking in conjunction with leveling, because if you rely just on fishing to level it you will require many, many, many more catches to reach 300 cooking. It is also important to understand the difference between salt water and fresh water fish. At level 1, you can learn both the Brilliant Smallfish recipe and the Slitherskin Mackerel. Smallfish are freshwater fish, and can only be caught from lakes and river. Mackerel are saltwater fish, and can only be caught from the Sea in areas level 1-10. This guide almost exclusively focuses on Fresh Water fish. Note: Find Fish and the Weather-Beaten Journal were added in TBC patch 2.3, don't waste time fishing pools looking for it. Well worth reading this thread before you start as well, for the discussion on various poles and where to get them. Step #2: Learn Cooking and Fishing from the apprentice trainers, and head to your first location. Alliance: 1-75 - Crystal Lake in Elwynn Forest. Horde: 1-75 - Bloodhoof Village Lake in Mulgore. You will get roughly 70-75% Brilliant Smallfish, and 25-30% Longjaw Mud Snapper. It should not take more than 75-90 casts to reach level 75, depending on how unlucky you get during the early levels with fish getting away. Cook everything you catch. If we presume each cast takes the full 30 seconds to catch something & loot it, and you have a 100% catch rate, it will take 37 minutes and 30 seconds to complete this stage. You will not need a lure for this stage. It took me 75 catches to go from 0-75. If we presume each cast takes the full 30 seconds to catch something & loot it, and you have a 100% catch rate, it will take around minutes to go from 0-75. Roughly 1 skill every 1.01 catches. Cooking Recipes; Brilliant Smallfish (1), Slitherskin Mackerel (1), Longjaw Mud Snapper (50), Rainbow Fin Albacore (50). Step #3: Learn Journeyman Fishing and Cooking. Alliance: 75-110 - Loch Modan. Horde: 75-110 - Orgrimmar Pond. Once you reach skill 100, it is recommended that you start to use a lure. You will catch roughly 50% Longjaw Mud Snapper in this section. Most guides advise you to go to Stormwind Canals. However, on some servers (Kronos for example) the canals of SW are not able to be fished at all due to Mangos bugs. The reason you are advised to go to SW is that it has a slightly higher drop rate of Bristle Whisker Catfish, which are mainly used for this stage of cooking. However, if you go to Loch Modan, you can also get the Loch Frenzy Delight recipe. Loch Frenzies are 'attached' to other fish when you catch them, netting you 2 fish per cast. If you are lucky and get plenty of Frenzies, this can be the most efficient places in the entire game to level cooking and fishing when compared for time per cast. You can also find Floating Wreckage and Sagefish Schools around the Loch that you cannot find in SW. The Sagefish are particularly useful, especially if you are a mana user and are going to be doing isntances. If you can't use them yourself, pass them to your healer and make your leveling life that little bit easier. Between level 75 and level 100 you are no longer guaranteed one skill point per catch, and you will being to creep towards averaging 2 catches per point. Between level 100 and 175, you are no longer guaranteed skill points at all, and you will begin to see skill points fluctuating between two and five catches. This trend remains the same until level 300, with the average creeping up to around 20 catches per skill as you approach 300. It took me 56 catches to go from 75 to 110 in Loch Modan, with 16 'bonus' Loch Frenzies. If we presume each cast takes the full 30 seconds to catch something & loot it, and you have a 100% catch rate, it will take around 28 minutes to go from 75-110. Roughly 1 skill point from every 1.6 catches. Cooking Recipes; Loch Frenzy (50), Smoked Sagefish (80), Bristle Whisker Catfish (100). Step #4: Learning Expert Fishing & Cooking. Both Factions: 110-150 - The Tarren Mill/Southshore River. Use the book "Expert Fishing - The Bass and You" as soon as you are able to (125). This can be bought in Booty Bay (Stranglethorn Vale) from Old Man Heming. Use the book "Expert Cookbook" as soon as you are able to (125). It can be bought from either Shandrina in Ashenvale (Alliance) or from Wulan in Desolcae (Horde). Here you will be mainly catching Bristle Whisker Catfish (50-60%), as well as getting Sagefish from the schools dotted along the river. It is worth doing Soothing Turtle Bisque at the same time, each faction has its own version of this quest. It took me 92 catches to go from 110-150. If we presume each cast takes the full 30 seconds to catch something & loot it, and you have a 100% catch rate, it will take around 46 minutes to go from 110-150. Roughly 1 skill every 2.3 catches. In this step and beyond, you will begin to see world PvP if you are playing on the appropriate server. Be wary, fishing players are a prime target to gank. Cooking Recipes; You will continue to level up with Bristle Whisker Catfish (100) here. For this part of leveling cooking, you have many more recipes that are for generic meat drops than for fishing. Step #5: Getting ready for Cooking & Fishing quests. Alliance: 150-180 - The lakes/moat of Stromguard Keep in Arathi Highlands. Alliance: 180-225 - Lake Nazferiti in Stranglethorn Vale. Horde: 150-175 - The pier in Shadowprey Village in Desolace. Horde: 175-225 - Swamp of Sorrows. For this part of leveling cooking, you have many more recipes that are for generic meat drops than for fishing. 150-175 on purely Catfish can take a lot of fish. You will be getting Mithril Head Trout between 50-60% of the time. Cooking Recipes; Sagefish Delight (175), Mithril Head Trout (175), Rockscale Cod (175). It took me 176 catches to go from 150-180. If we presume each cast takes the full 30 seconds to catch something & loot it, and you have a 100% catch rate, it will take around 88 minutes to go from 150-180. Roughly 1 skill every 5.8 catches. This is the next part of the 'break point' with catches explained earlier. While you will occasionally be getting points every 2/3 casts, we are now starting to approach the real true grind. You will have had some skill points between 150-175 reach the 10-15 casts per point stage, 179-180 took me 17 catches. From 175-225, you can expect the average to continue trending upwards. It took me 358 catches to go from 180-225. If we presume each cast takes the full 30 seconds to catch something & loot it, and you have a 100% catch rate, it will take around 179 minutes (~3 hours) to go from 180-225. Roughly 1 skill every 11.9 catches. As I said in the previous paragraph, you can see how the average catch-skill ratio has continued to increase. If you are Alliance and fishing Lake Nazferiti, make sure to check north and south of the lake for Greater Sagefish schools and Floating Wreckage. The Wreckage in this area tends to drop Iron Bound Trunks, while regularly gives Bolts of Silk and Mageweave cloth. This part also saw the longest chain of catches between skill ups, with it taking 27 catches to go from 203-204. As I did all the writing for this guide on Kronos 2, this is where I will stop giving time guidelines. I was playing a level 29 alliance PvP twink, and had no desire to go past 225 on a character I am not playing long term. It took me 757 catches, roughly 378.5 minutes (6.5 hours) to do 1-225, including writing this guide in the background. Step #6: Cooking and Fishing quests for Artisan level crafting. Nat Pagel Quest To learn fishing skill past 225, you need to visit the head man himself, Nat Pagel. He sits on a small island west of Theramore, and gives the quest Nat Pagle, Angler Extreme. This requires you to; Fish a Ferelas Ahi, caught to the west of Camp Mojache, under the bridge by the Ogres. Fish Misty Reed Mahi Mahi, from the east coast of the Swamp of Sorrows. Fish a Sar'theris Striker, from the Sar'theris Strand in Desolace. (Same place Rogues go to level up lockpicking, watch out on a PvP server!) Fish a Savage Coast Blue Sailfin, from the Savage Coast in north west Stranglethorn Vale. Return all four fish to Nat to learn Artisan Fishing. Clamlette Surprise Quest Clamlette Surprise is a quest given by Dirge Quikcleave, in the Tanaris Inn. It requires you to bring him; 12 Giant Egg's (dropped by the Roc's in Tanaris). 10 Zesty Clam Meat (looted from the clams dropped by Turtles, Giants and Crawlers in Tanaris). 20 Alterac Swiss cheese. There is no where to but it nearby, it's recommended you bring it with you before coming to get the quest, otherwise you have lots of running/flying back to a capital city. Turning in those three items will teach you Artisan Cooking. Step #7: The "Grind" strikes back. Alliance 225-250 - The pier at Steamwheedle Port in Tanaris. Horde: 225-250 - The Coast around Raventusk Village in the Hinterlands. Cooking Recipes; Spotted Yellowtail (225), Grilled Squid (240), Hot Smoked Bass (240). Step #8: Nearly Over! Both: 250-275 - Bloodvenom Falls in Felwood. Cooking Recipes; Poached Sunscale Salmon (250), Nightfin Soup (250) Step #9: Finished. Both: 275-300 - Azshara, Winterspring, Eastern Plaguelands. Pick your poison, this is the longest and most grindiest part of skilling up fishing. World PvP is about equal in all zones, so it's literally just a case of finding somewhere out of the way and sticking to it! Cooking Recipes; Baked Salmon (275), Lobster Stew (275), Mightfish Steak (275). FishingBuddy_v0.8.8e.zip
  4. I'm looking for someone who has very high knowledge of fishing to give some insight into the Database, plain googling is not enough. Thanks in advance, Nogar