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https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/52889-legacy-crusade-the-journey-doesnt-end-here/ I just do not see how this isn't the final nail in the coffin for us. The only way this works out for Crestfall is if the realm is released within the year, but I have a feeling IF, it is released it will be near the release of this TBC server and being overshadowed. And thats a big IF they even release Crestfall on elysium anymore at this point.
Hey all, Before starting this topic I'd like to write a short introduction about myself and how I came to make this post. I've been playing WoW since Vanilla until now, and I've been introduced to private servers with Arena Tournament TBC edition somewhere around 10 years ago. Also, probably like many of you, I grew older by the time. I read about Crestfall shortly after Nostalrius' downfall, and since then I have lurked this forum on and off and have been waiting for this project to be released from your perfectionist hands. In the meantime, I had hoped for Nostalrius' revival, and was very excited for their announcements until I saw it would be led mainly by Valkyrie's team (at the time). Still I headed towards Elysium with the rest of people en masse. It would be short to say disappointment quickly happened. Their drama made me leave, so I just kept reading their stuff to see where the sinking ship would go under. To my surprise, it was still holding its gas, thus even improving with time. Then why I am here? Because I'm upset about Crestfall's future, and I do have some interrogations. I should add that stirring up drama isn't my purpose (forum isn't very active yet anyway ) and that I am just a classic WoW enthusiast, looking for what's best and available. So here are some of my thoughts and questions: 1. What is expected population, and more importantly, wanted? I read that Asura will be fine with low pop. Can he say the same about massive increase? What do you think? 2. Spreading out jam too thin over all these extensions could hurt project viability. Yes, it will depend on the amount of players you get. Also, I'm not sure it is a good thing to not allow toons play all on all extensions whenever they want to. While it serves immersion, I feel like it will diminish gameplay experience, like leaving Vanilla dead for instance. Faster than it normally would. Why waste your strong scripts and data? 3. Why not focus on Vanilla instead? TBC and WotLK "market" share has been pretty much taken already. Players are tired of leveling again and again, switching over servers for years. I don't think I'm alone when I say that I'm looking for my last WoW experiences. We all like this game, but we can't play it forever. You could make the best Vanilla project ever made, and if you care that much about progressing through content, why not just open TBC and WotLK and adjust them to lvl 60 cap? That way you would be different from others. I am not convinced allowing the same characters go through extensions will make enough of a difference for people who can just create them on different servers already (Who cares about achievements anyway? ). 4. What are the Vanilla only boys and girls to expect? Basically, I for one am interested in Vanilla mainly, and am looking for a home. Nostalrius left me with a craving that I have to end for my WoW "career" to be complete. I don't know how others feel about it. But I don't want to level here, only to find a dead realm after 2 years (TBC launch expected right?). If you really are deep into this PTE idea, then so be it. Looking at how things go, Crestfall won't release until end of year. So I, like some others, have to prepare for what is to come. This could be the best, or another wasted opportunity. Perhaps I'm just alone, I just wanted to share some of my fears and perspectives. Is all. Thank you anyway if you took the time to read it all, please if you have answers, do it in a constructive manner. Cya.
Hello. So this is about our Progression Through Expansions (PTE) format for Crestfall. Not one for doing things for no reason we started a poll on this about a week ago. You can find the results here: In this poll we asked a simple question, and we deliberately limited choices. Our poll attracted 139 votes. Lest people complain that 139 is not a decent representative of the members I'll remind you that at that time, we only had 545 members who actively posted on these forums. Therefore 139 represents 25% of potential voters. This is the equivalent of asking 16m people what party they would vote for in the UK for example. So from my point of view, while the percentages would change if everyone voted, they would in no way affect the final outcome. Which is this: Hmmm. Bit blurry, nevermind. So here's the critical thing, based on these numbers, only 5.8% of members would stay on the Vanilla realm once TBC becomes available. Let's put that into context. The devs have said that they are happy to run a TBC and Vanilla realm as long as the numbers work out. For the numbers to work out, and this applies to PvE or PvP realms, my estimation is that you would need a 50/50 split on a realm where the max population on at any one time is about 4000. My thinking on this is that if 2000 head off to TBC, and 2000 stay in Vanilla, leaving us in an ideal world where you would have 1000 toons on either faction at peak time on both TBC/Vanilla realms. As per the FAQ: Q. How are you going to handle progressing from Vanilla to TBC? And how far are you going to go? A. Our current plan is to open a new PvP TBC realm and allow characters to transfer from the PvP Vanilla realm if they choose to. We expect that the number of interested players will be sufficient to keep both the Vanilla and TBC realms healthy. In the case of the PvE realm, the current plan is to directly upgrade it to a TBC realm, so there will be no PvE Vanilla after the TBC upgrade. The reason for this is that our current estimates suggest that splitting the population in that case would leave not enough people in either realm for it to be successful. If the PvE population is larger than we expected, then we can treat that and the PvP server in the same fashion. Well these votes kill that stone dead. Even allowing for a buffered delay as people transfer their accounts/characters over time, this 5.8% would mean that the sum total peak population on the vanilla would end up being 232. The other 3768 will happily be playing TBC. On this basis, as per what the devs have said, the vanilla realm will be mothballed after ~18 months with all characters transferred into the TBC version. Annnnnnnnnndddd it doesn't get much better for TBC. Once the TBC content is exhausted then the total number of players left on the realm - even if we generously include the orphan vanilla players - will only amount to around 990 players at peak. Again, not in anyway a viable number of players. Realistically, the only realm that stands a chance of being viable would be the WotLK version assuming we progress to Cataclysm. The max pop if we include the vanilla + TBC players would be close to 70% of the player base or 2800. The great pity about all this is players that find out about Crestfall late in the day. Let's say end 2017 (or 2031) you hear about Crestfall and log on only to find that the realm has only got 4-6 months left before you are forced into TBC. That would be a damn shame. It would also be a damn shame if the fabulously scripted and working vanilla realm was mothballed instead of being admired as a work of art. And there the matter would have remained except for this thread here by @Xadas So during the day we've had a back and forwards discussion with Darkrasp and for me anyway, the goalposts have changed slightly. I have to say I was pretty confused/stupid with this until @DeeMarie and @Chickengrease cleared it up for me. The salient point is Darkrasp's comment here: So here is what I think will happen: A1: You play Vanilla on the 1.12.1 client, much fun is had and you create multiple characters A2: After ~16-18 months The Burning Crusade comes along A3: You can decide which characters get transferred over to the TBC realm and which ones stay. A4: If you log onto the 1.12.1 client the characters you specified to stay remain there to be played. B1: When you log onto the 2.4.3 client the characters that you wanted to transfer will be on that TBC realm B2: As Darkrasp said, if you don't transfer your character over you have the risk that someone will take that name (although you can always leave a placeholder) This means that the avatar idea I proposed is trashed in my opinion. You can always leave a L60 or whatever on the vanilla realm if you want to play there. It also means that the population figures I spent a lot of time getting are not as relevant as they seem. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that people will continue to play on both realms. However, such is the dearth of players wanting to remain on vanilla I still think that both PvE and PvP realms will be mothballed as some point after TBC is released. 5.8% just doesn't work for me. Right. That's it I think. I reserve the right to be completely wrong and look forward to any gentle corrections.
Greetings. This specific question has not been asked as a poll. We have talked about it in this thread by @Lily here: And it's cropping up on this thread here: As a by product. So just to be clear (and I'll edit this if necessary). There will be two realms at launch: PvE or Zul'Dare and PvP or Kul'Tiras. There may be more upon demand but this is not relevant. What is relevant is that the server will be PTE or Progression Through Expansions. That is, after an undefined period of time (but generally agreed to be 16-18 months), one of two things will happen: Option 1: If the realm you are on has a healthy population (not defined but assumed to be 5000 peak online at one time) then another realm will be made available for The Burning Crusade expansion. You can then CHOOSE to remain in the Kul'Tiras vanilla realm for as long as you like or.............transfer to the TBC server. Option 2: If the realm you are on has a low population (not defined but assumed to be less than 2500 peak online at one time) then this realm will progress to The Burning Crusade whether you like it or not. Vanilla will cease to exist for all your associated toons. Caveats: Option 2 can apply to the PvE or PvP realms or both. It is population based only. The devs may allow you to character transfer from PvP to PvE and vice versa and therefore from vanilla to vanilla or vanilla to TBC or any other combination. This may not happen. This may require a payment normally defined as 'a contribution to our running costs' That this process will occur yet again once TBC content is exhausted (at an agreed timeline) and we progress to Wrath of the Lich King. That this process will PROBABLY occur once again for Cataclysm but this is not guaranteed and it's a long way off Therefore: It is reasonable to put a poll to the members so that all of us (including the devs) get an early idea where people would like to halt progression. That whatever people vote on it's just a snapshot in time and people may change their minds, so people quoting this thread and results when we are in TBC should start another poll. That as the players will be spending days/weeks/months of their lives happily playing in Crestfall realms it's only fair that we should have some idea what the end result will be. For the poll I have NOT included any expansion specifically past Cata other than an option for further expansions as a general option I have also added in an avatar option. To explain, this would happen if you went from vanilla to TBC but wanted to leave an avatar behind so you could still play vanilla. Or, this would allow the devs to do a proper split as effectively you are keeping some of the population behind. This is my own personal wish list so please vote down if you don't like it. Finally: I would kindly ask people not to post the obvious here. That is, it's not helpful to say 'I'm staying in vanilla' that's what the poll is for. Comments should be addressed to the functionality of PTE in terms of how it may work as a mechanism. So for example, what the numbers should be to allow for a realm to spilt to vanilla + TBC rather than just progress automatically. Please note voter names are public for validity reasons That's about it. Please vote. If you don't vote, don't bitch.