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Sakritan

Rules around the use of VPN

Hi. So, I couldnt find any specifics on this. How exactly will the VPN blocking stuff work? What punishment will we get if we log into Crestfall server with a VPN connection active? Simple disconnect or a ban? I am asking because there is a chance one might simply forget to turn off the VPN before loggin in - Getting perma banned for this would suck pretty hard to say the least. But at the same time I understand you wanting to come down on this stuff to prevent it. Otherwise, since limited connections per IP might be a thing, using VPN to multibox and get around this will be used?

Also. What about the use of the forums under VPN? Right now it works (yes I forgot to turn it off before I logged in here 9_9). Is there a way to block this as well? IP ban wont do much good if people can just jump unto another and continue their ill intended deeds.

Personally, I hope you'll use a system that kicks out everyone using VPN's, everywhere. Not sure how this would work but still. Not with bans though hopefully, mistakes are easily made :P

Cheers!

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I'm not 100% on this, maybe @Crogge could answer it better.

My understanding is that VPN connections to the login, realm and worldservers will simply be refused.  You won't be able to connect at all if you're connecting through a VPN.

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On 2016-11-20 at 8:19 AM, Darkrasp said:

I'm not 100% on this, maybe @Crogge could answer it better.

My understanding is that VPN connections to the login, realm and worldservers will simply be refused.  You won't be able to connect at all if you're connecting through a VPN.

Sounds good. As of right now I can do this to the forums though. Maybe you are going to apply this to here as well? Hope Crogge will give his input too.

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On 20/11/2016 at 7:19 AM, Darkrasp said:

My understanding is that VPN connections to the login, realm and worldservers will simply be refused.  You won't be able to connect at all if you're connecting through a VPN.

Let's hope the UK government doesn't go chasing people who connect to private WoW servers then.  (though even a cynic like me thinks it's unlikely)

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Going to be a shame if they do block VPN's as for some people it might be the only way they can connect to the servers.

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26 minutes ago, Talamat said:

Going to be a shame if they do block VPN's as for some people it might be the only way they can connect to the servers.

It'll also be a shame if they don't. Lose lose situation.

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Looking at Elysium;

VPN blocks can only be a good thing for Crestfall.

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On 3/2/2017 at 4:46 AM, Talamat said:

Going to be a shame if they do block VPN's as for some people it might be the only way they can connect to the servers.

 

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On 11/18/2016 at 2:14 PM, Sakritan said:

Also. What about the use of the forums under VPN? Right now it works (yes I forgot to turn it off before I logged in here 9_9). Is there a way to block this as well? IP ban wont do much good if people can just jump unto another and continue their ill intended deeds.

This. I hadn't thought of it before, but now with the forums being the primary (only?) means of communication, I think this could become an issue. I understand that the forums and the server will be separate entities, but it would be a shame (and a lot of work for the moderators) if people who are displeased by the ban decide to come to our forums to "vent their frustrations."

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We are not blocking users to connect to the forums with a VPN as this rule will only apply to our game realms.

 

There are many, many reasons to block VPN and it's not simply just "chinese goldsellers" or "people circumventing IP bans". It goes a lot deeper than that.

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Thanks for the information.  Guess I'll have to stick to playing at home :).

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This is probably a super old topic but I'll reply here anyway.

 

Super disappointed with this. I do understand the needs to block VPN's from a bot/gold selling PoV but it sucks that I'll be unable to play on a server that I've had interest in for a couple of years now.

I've recently moved to China for work, so I assume this means I'll be unable to play, despite being a legitimate player on many different Vanilla realms. Also, it's easy for people to say that it's for the greater good and things like that, but I guarantee if it was any of you being blocked you wouldn't be too happy about it :P

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On 4/25/2017 at 8:34 PM, Busho said:

This is probably a super old topic but I'll reply here anyway.

 

Super disappointed with this. I do understand the needs to block VPN's from a bot/gold selling PoV but it sucks that I'll be unable to play on a server that I've had interest in for a couple of years now.

I've recently moved to China for work, so I assume this means I'll be unable to play, despite being a legitimate player on many different Vanilla realms. Also, it's easy for people to say that it's for the greater good and things like that, but I guarantee if it was any of you being blocked you wouldn't be too happy about it :P

Are VPNs the only way to play WoW in China?

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On 4/26/2017 at 4:34 AM, Busho said:

This is probably a super old topic but I'll reply here anyway.

Super disappointed with this. I do understand the needs to block VPN's from a bot/gold selling PoV but it sucks that I'll be unable to play on a server that I've had interest in for a couple of years now.

I've recently moved to China for work, so I assume this means I'll be unable to play, despite being a legitimate player on many different Vanilla realms. Also, it's easy for people to say that it's for the greater good and things like that, but I guarantee if it was any of you being blocked you wouldn't be too happy about it :P

We are looking at having an application process for whitelisting certain VPN connections.

I'm not sure exactly how the process works (it's way over my technical level of knowledge) but there is some discussion about allowing "legitimate" Chinese guilds to apply to play.

This post is not confirming that this will happen, just that it is a possibility that will be decided upon once we see what the staff levels of our Chinese GM team might look at, as well as other considerations that the admin team must make. Crogge and Asura will update fully on the VPN rules and 2 accounts per IP rules closer to release.

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with the merge to elysium, will you still ban VPN's?

Else there is literally no reason to play your server as of now other than another 6 months of MC.

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Out of curiosity, and I fully understand if you don't want to answer this question, but how exactly are you planning to detect VPN connections? Will you "just" be blacklisting known VPN provider IP addresses?

 

I do not think there exist methods to positively identify VPN connections in general, perhaps there's something with the client that will make it possible, I don't know - but the methods I am aware of will either give you a very high false-positive rate or a very high false-negative rate.

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5 hours ago, AcId said:

Out of curiosity, and I fully understand if you don't want to answer this question, but how exactly are you planning to detect VPN connections? Will you "just" be blacklisting known VPN provider IP addresses?

 

I do not think there exist methods to positively identify VPN connections in general, perhaps there's something with the client that will make it possible, I don't know - but the methods I am aware of will either give you a very high false-positive rate or a very high false-negative rate.

Finding out that a User is using a VPN service isn't that difficult, most of them have static IP addresses for their exit gateways so it can be used to identify VPNs, specially if they are public VPNs. However finding out who is behind that VPN is much, much harder. Since the whole VPN is designed to hide the person, but not hide that they are using one. Proxy detection is one way that can be used in that they can detect if there is something wrong with the IP. There are other ways, I believe even your email address will have an IP saved from when you first created it due to cookies, which can also be used to check through account email verification stage.

There are possibly other ways to find out if they are behind a VPN like browser fingerprinting, IP detection etc but I personally do not know where to begin to find out who is behind the VPN.

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