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Feral (Cat) PvE Trinkets

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4 hours ago, Elicas said:

Do you have any information of DMC:M PPM? Every server has it set at vastly differing proc chances, and depending on what is correct will of course change where it sits on the BiS list.

This is indeed true. I can for now, only talk about anathema and nost as a relating point. With early gear, you get around 20-28% crit with buffs such as ony head, mongoose etc.

I've tested DMC:M on both and my ppm ~ was around 3 in 10 consecutive mc/bwl runs.

2% Crit will definitly be better for someone who has only greens! But nobody is gonna run mc as greeny :)

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20 minutes ago, Wortgewandt said:

This is indeed true. I can for now, only talk about anathema and nost as a relating point. With early gear, you get around 20-28% crit with buffs such as ony head, mongoose etc.

I've tested DMC:M on both and my ppm ~ was around 3 in 10 consecutive mc/bwl runs.

2% Crit will definitly be better for someone who has only greens! But nobody is gonna run mc as greeny :)

So 3 PPM will come out around

1.0/(60/3) = 0.05% to PPH

60 swings per minute so amount of procs per hits is 1/20 - including ~15 special attacks, actual PPM is 75/20 = 3.75 procs per minute.

If we presume that every hit is a non crit and suffers from no resistance, that would give us (using average hits);

(250.5*3.75)/60 = 15.65625 DPS increase from DMC:M.

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5 hours ago, Elicas said:

So 3 PPM will come out around

1.0/(60/3) = 0.05% to PPH

60 swings per minute so amount of procs per hits is 1/20 - including ~15 special attacks, actual PPM is 75/20 = 3.75 procs per minute.

If we presume that every hit is a non crit and suffers from no resistance, that would give us (using average hits);

(250.5*3.75)/60 = 15.65625 DPS increase from DMC:M.

That sounds about right.

Going further and comparing it to Blackhands Breath, which is an avrg DPS increase of ~44DPS, it is inferior.
However, Blackhands breath loses its viabilty at 33% Crit. Whitehit Crit modifiers is as follows: 100% - 28% miss - 8% dodge - 40% glance + your hit%
With 9% Hit, your whitecritcap is at 33%. Thus, no gain from blackhands breath.

A Feral Druid with PreraidBis should have anywhere between 19-24% Crit unbuffed. With mongoose, Ony buff and maybe Elemental Sharpening Stone alone, we already reach 29-34% Crit. With raidbuffs such as kings or Agi Totem, we reach 30-33% easily, making BHB a nonviable raid trinket :)

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9 hours ago, Wortgewandt said:

That sounds about right.

Going further and comparing it to Blackhands Breath, which is an avrg DPS increase of ~44DPS, it is inferior.
However, Blackhands breath loses its viabilty at 33% Crit. Whitehit Crit modifiers is as follows: 100% - 28% miss - 8% dodge - 40% glance + your hit%
With 9% Hit, your whitecritcap is at 33%. Thus, no gain from blackhands breath.

A Feral Druid with PreraidBis should have anywhere between 19-24% Crit unbuffed. With mongoose, Ony buff and maybe Elemental Sharpening Stone alone, we already reach 29-34% Crit. With raidbuffs such as kings or Agi Totem, we reach 30-33% easily, making BHB a nonviable raid trinket :)

Yeah, definitely agreed. Been playing about with some PPM numbers;

 

So 2 PPM will come out around;

1.0/(60/2) = 0.03% to PPH

60 swings per minute so amount of procs per hits is 1/30 - including ~15 special attacks, actual PPM is 75/30 = 2.5 procs per minute.

If we presume that every hit is a non crit and suffers from no resistance, that would give us (using average hits);

(250.5*2.5)/60 = 10.4375 DPS increase from DMC:M.

 

So 3 PPM will come out around;

1.0/(60/3) = 0.05% to PPH

60 swings per minute so amount of procs per hits is 1/20 - including ~15 special attacks, actual PPM is 75/20 = 3.75 procs per minute.

If we presume that every hit is a non crit and suffers from no resistance, that would give us (using average hits);

(250.5*3.75)/60 = 15.65625 DPS increase from DMC:M.

 

So 4 PPM will come out around;

1.0/(60/4) = 0.06% to PPH

60 swings per minute so amount of procs per hits is 1/15 - including ~15 special attacks, actual PPM is 75/15 = 5 procs per minute.

If we presume that every hit is a non crit and suffers from no resistance, that would give us (using average hits);

(250.5*5)/60 = 20.875 DPS increase from DMC:M.

 

So 5 PPM will come out around;

1.0/(60/5) = 0.08% to PPH

60 swings per minute so amount of procs per hits is 1/12 - including ~15 special attacks, actual PPM is 75/12 = 6.25 procs per minute.

If we presume that every hit is a non crit and suffers from no resistance, that would give us (using average hits);

(250.5*6.25)/60 = 26.09375 DPS increase from DMC:M.

 

 

Both 3 and 4 seem reasonable. 2 is far too low, 5 seems to be far too high. I'd suggest either 3, 3.5 or 4 being the sweetspot. Also did a comparison with HoW, which we know procs more often. I'd say 1 PPM more than whatever DMC:M is set at. If Maelstrom was set to 3, Wyrm set to 4;

 

So 4 PPM will come out around

1.0/(60/4) = 0.06% to PPH

60 swings per minute so amount of procs per hits is 1/15 - including ~15 special attacks, actual PPM is 75/15 = 5 procs per minute.

If we presume that every hit is a non crit and suffers from no resistance, that would give us (using average hits);

(150.5*5)/60 = 12.54 DPS increase from Heart of Wyrmthalak.

 

DMC:M 15.65625 DPS incease.
HoWyr: 12.54 DPS increase.

Both 'feels' right, though that is obviously no evidence based argument. Looking at the numbers though, they're around comparable for what people are reporting on old web pages.

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