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Retrac47

Death of the Internet (US)

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So in case anyone was not aware, Congress just passed a measure to veto the FCC regulations preventing ISPs from spying on you and selling your personal information. They may also attempt to install malicious tracking software on your computers and mobile devices. If you don't currently use a VPN, now would be the time to look into one. I'll be running mine permanently until there is some measure of safety to browsing the internet again. Here's to hoping this get fixed before CF launches, but more likely than that my hope is that it's easy to allow CF as an exception.

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To those affected, some advice: install Linux (I'd recommend Manjaro), get a paid, descent VPN and unless your browsing habits are too extreme, you will have no problems.

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This is truly scary what's been going on with the Internet regulations on the worldwide scale for the last few years. Have to use VPN in Russia too as ISPs after 2018 will be obliged to store ALL the information about your activities, correspondence and downloads for 6 months and provide it to FSB (they already do that but to a lesser degree). People are already getting up to 2 years sentences for posting or reposting "extremist" content (i.e. not supporting the regime) on social networks.

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I'm probably in the minority here but I don't really care if some government spies or campanies have access to my browsing history or FB or whatever. I'm not a terrorist, a hacker, or a consumer of child pornography so what exactly should I be afraid of? That I get more targeted advertising? Boom, adblock. Then again this doesn't even affect me cuz I'm not an American so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .

All the nonsense that China/Russia/Turkey etc. are pulling off are an entirely different matter ofc.

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50 minutes ago, Lilaina said:

I'm probably in the minority here but I don't really care if some government spies or campanies have access to my browsing history or FB or whatever. I'm not a terrorist, a hacker, or a consumer of child pornography so what exactly should I be afraid of? That I get more targeted advertising? Boom, adblock. Then again this doesn't even affect me cuz I'm not an American so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .

All the nonsense that China/Russia/Turkey etc. are pulling off are an entirely different matter ofc.

Pretty much this.

Literally the only bit of this that is bad is the selling of private details, which is deplorable and should be banned in any shape or form.

Otherwise, I don't care how many government mooks have to browse my porn links and reddit memes. I'm not a terrorist or a kiddie fiddler, so they ain't got nothing on me.

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"Not having anything to hide" is literally failing at understanding the issue

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I have an alternative, personal view. By making it known that there is nowhere to hide, the majority will continue to use the status  quo and use chrome and all the social media platforms. Because people are lazy or they don't care.

People who do care for privacy and are prepared to go the extra VPN connection to keep their privacy, those are the people they will go after.

Because the assumption is you've something to hide.

I would be more concerned with band with restrictions on BroadBand based on price and your Elitist connections. It's the next have and have nots conflict

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In any case, anyone else but you having access to what you do on the Internet, even if you "have nothing to hide", feels like somebody barging into your room and going through your laundry. Feels bad, man.

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4 hours ago, loeth said:

This is a selfish mindset that I suppose reflects one's lack of interest in the homo species as a whole and of general intellect and curiosity.

Nah. I'm just more interested with bigger, more concrete, and arguably more important issues instead of getting outraged over something like this which seems to be mostly a matter of principle with no real life ramifications for normal people. I get that some people value their privacy more than others, as well as that it is sucks that some big corporations make money with something that doesn't belong to them, but claiming that the internet is dead and that we should all switch to Linux and use VPNs out of spite is silly imo.

 

4 hours ago, loeth said:

Our browsing habits and Internet footprint are part of our history and memory and, therefore, part of what we are. Not caring about keeping those private means we are giving away part of what we are for others to use as they please.

I just don't place any value on something as mundane as information on where I read my news or what I look like or whether I lean left or right in terms of politics or what kind of music I like or what kind of porn I watch or what kind of things I buy online. If I don't want that information to be available I don't share it or visit certain sites online, simple as that. I don't consider them to be "a part of me" in some weird, convoluted, philosophical way, any more than a school assignment or a grocery receipt.

4 hours ago, Asura said:

My problem is the fact they'll be able to link you to your habits and preferences if they want to.

...which shouldn't affect normal people in any way.

4 hours ago, Asura said:

It becomes a slippery slope on how much they start snooping and how much they can control. It's already known places like Facebook and Reddit are biased to specific sides on issues. Imagine if they could link your Reddit history to your real identity as well. Ever spent time on a site like 4chan? Now they know every thread you've ever looked at. It's been seen at Facebook where they advertised specifically based on political liking. You don't think this type of stuff could go farther?

Data is a weapon, whether people want to believe it or not. Allowing people to purchase and use it as they see fit is definitely a problem, even if you have nothing to hide, people can use the data for one purpose or another.

I'd be flattered if someone considered me important enough to weaponize my browsing habits against me. :P Again, I don't see what harm could be done to me with this information, unless I lived in China or Russia or Turkey or some other messed up country.

3 hours ago, Shady_Lizard said:

In any case, anyone else but you having access to what you do on the Internet, even if you "have nothing to hide", feels like somebody barging into your room and going through your laundry. Feels bad, man.

For some people, sure. Personally, I don't post or say or visit any place online that I wouldn't mind sharing IRL, so I don't feel that my privacy has been offended in some way either. Depends on how private person you are I guess.

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With there being more access to my personal data, there is a greater possibility that that information is used against me.  Yes I don't have anything to hide, but it seems like it just props the door open for easier access into my personal life.

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I wonder how many people went, "whatever, it's not affecting me, so cba" and then fell prey to swatting or were held up at the airport and questioned about their social media habits. I distinctly remember Blizzard attempting to forcibly link people's real names to their forum personae, and that they found out real quick that sitting back and going, "what's the worst that could happen, right?" is a bad idea.

Guess in the end it comes down to how much you think what you're giving up matters, but that decision may not be as informed as you think.

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A lot of, "What's the worstthat could happen?" viewpoints are fairly sheltered.

If you're an immigrant, a hostile government can make up a reason to deport you because they don't like your politics on FB.

The USA is rapidly gaining similarities with "those crappy countries", and what might seem harmless today could be what fucks you next year.

Especially since the Internet never really forgets.

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The  right  of  the  people  to  be  secure  in  their  persons,
houses,  papers,  and  effects,  against  unreasonable  searches  and
seizures,  shall  not  be  violated;  and  no  Warrants  shall  issue  but
upon  probable  cause,  supported  by  Oath  or  affirmation,  and
particularly  describing  the  place  to  be  searched,  and  the  per-
sons or things to be seized.

This is a lot more than just what you look at on facebook or reddit. I don't have anything to hide either, but this about a person's fundamental right as a human being to privacy. This will be who do you bank with? What exactly have you ever bought and where did you have it shipped? Who else has had things shipped to that address, and what did they buy? This is being sent a subpoena for for being involved in anything anyone regards to questionable, such as playing on a private server of World of Warcraft. This is having your webcam and microphone activated at all times and having your facial expression and conversations matched with the content you're looking at. Heaven forbid there's ever an SSL encryption error, because then it's also all of your banking account information and your social security number, and you can bet that there will be some "accidents" that try to break that encryption. I just don't understand how anyone could not at least see this as a negative even if they aren't as upset as I am.

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One of the key features of a totalitarian society is people knowing and feeling they are being watched. (Near) absolute conformity is the result. Whether someone (or rather something) is actually watching or not is completely irrelevant by then.

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If -> Whether (Not a native speaker, but this seems better English.)
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Well said. I just hope 1984 remains the amazing fiction story it is.

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What bothers me the most is that anything I look up in the internet (or, well, google at least) is fitting my previous searches, results and stuff I clicked on.

.. Since my english is all too good Im kind of struggling to explain this in more detail haha

 

What I mean is for example: I google "music" and find, lets say, some good Reggae and I really like it so I listen to it more often. The next time I will google music my results would be full of Reggae so I don´t really have a chance to find any other music which I could eventually like.

 

I feel like I´m getting caught in a bubble (and hearthstone on CD!) with no way to get out and gather new opinions, news or whatever.

 

A small real life example: Some people in my country were protesting against TTIP (some freetrading arrangement between us and USA) and I had no idea what it actually was. So I tried to look it up but the results were mostly far left winged articles (cause thats pretty often my opinion) how super bad TTIP is and how it destroys our economy and what not, but no words of any facts to underline or explain this. (I mean, in fact I found out what was so bad about it, but it took me quite long)

 

Greetings, Buddhaseyes

 

 

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On 29. 3. 2017 at 4:11 PM, Lilaina said:

I just don't place any value on something as mundane as information on where I read my news or what I look like or whether I lean left or right in terms of politics or what kind of music I like or what kind of porn I watch or what kind of things I buy online.

The problem is, there are those who do and damn hell they're gonna use it.

I mean, these days you can say there are only two genders and next morning your boss tells you he got 600 letters demanding your head for being a racist.

On 29. 3. 2017 at 4:11 PM, Lilaina said:

any more than a school assignment or a grocery receipt.


Wait, you DON'T take your receipts out to the shop parking lot, burning them and scattering the ashes?

On 2. 4. 2017 at 1:10 AM, buddhaseyes said:

What bothers me the most is that anything I look up in the internet (or, well, google at least) is fitting my previous searches, results and stuff I clicked on


Try using duckduckgo for your search. They claim to be unaffected by previous search results.

Google on the other hand... a friend sent me a link to her new shoes about a month ago, totally unrelated sites have been popping shoe ads at me ever since.
Targeted ads and the way they collect the data for that are pretty disgusting.
Not to mention google started soft-censoring people on youtube by denying them ad revenue if they have wrong opinions.

Well, we already had global network with its own darknet and instant access point devices, now we're getting omnipresent surveillance in a sense. All we need now is some highly advanced implants and constant rain and it's finally cyberpunk.

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5 hours ago, Xaverius said:

Wait, you DON'T take your receipts out to the shop parking lot, burning them and scattering the ashes?

Nah, I only do that with tax return papers and rejection letters. xD

5 hours ago, Xaverius said:

Google on the other hand... a friend sent me a link to her new shoes about a month ago, totally unrelated sites have been popping shoe ads at me ever since.

Targeted ads and the way they collect the data for that are pretty disgusting.

I get barely any ads in general with adblock plus on firefox.

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2 hours ago, Lilaina said:

Nah, I only do that with tax return papers and rejection letters. xD

I get barely any ads in general with adblock plus on firefox.

Adblock plus for president indeed !:x

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