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Lilaina

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Sooo... next stop Argus and Sargeras? Also, wtf Illidan? And the Legion has spaceships now? Do you guys think we might get Warcraft 4 or WoW 2 now that the Legion is going to be dealt with on its own home turf? I'm out of the loop when it comes to the story but I don't see how they could top that with even bigger baddies in future expansions.

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The players never kill the baddies, they just teleport away with 1hp left...

They can't let players kill the biggest villains because what is Blizzard going to reuse yet again in next expansions?

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1 hour ago, ilovecats said:

The players never kill the baddies, they just teleport away with 1hp left...

They can't let players kill the biggest villains because what is Blizzard going to reuse yet again in next expansions?

I think in this case Velen had the right to be the one to finish the job considering how long they've known each other. :P

I'm still mad at Tirion though and lets not even mention Thrall and his stupid super lazer.

I'm guessing Illidan will get the killing blow on Sargeras. He'll grab all the artifact weapons from the players and throw them at him.

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Listen to what KJ said. The hunt, the slaughter on Draenor, the Scourge, and now he says he didn't believe Sargeras can be stopped? What? He and Archi joined Sargeras because they wanted power, and now KJ is retconned into a misunderstood Mary Sue? He hated Velen and saw him as a traitor because he stayed with the Light. And now he says he envied him? Wtf!?

Look at Iliidan, he used to be my favourite character, I loved him! And now he's a floppy, microwaved yesterday's dinner.

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blizz lost their way long time ago - wow is a cheap soap opera now. The new story is shallow and made for braindead. And I just glanced over it, but the old stuff before cata in wowwiki is so powerful, so full of potential and they made that shit and a new one, and new one and they are not stopping. I really cannot understand the players that continue to donate them money for this lazy shitshow they make year after year... With all the money flowing in their direction they can hire 5 hardcore fantasy writers, but I guess they prefer to use mail carrying interns to write the storyboards for the last few expansions. All characters are misunderstood and I am waiting for the gay and vegan ones, because this is all that is missing so it can be complete bullshit with all the fashion trends lately.

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8 hours ago, Lilaina said:

And the Legion has spaceships now?

naxx is WotLK
spaceships are TBC

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15 hours ago, duzyizly said:

naxx is WotLK
spaceships are TBC

I know. I didn't know that the Burning Legion also had them. During their previous invasions they needed portals to get around.

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WoW lore since Cata:

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Imo WotLK was kind of the jump of the shark for the game, so maybe ending the game on Cata was a good idea.

On 21/6/2017 at 8:55 AM, ilovecats said:

The players never kill the baddies, they just teleport away with 1hp left...

This is basically the "sorry Mario, but the princess is in another castle", and people seems to enjoy being spoon fed with this.

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On 21. 6. 2017 at 8:46 AM, Lilaina said:

Do you guys think we might get Warcraft 4

Oh, your sweet naïveté flows like a river. If not since wow, then definitely since Activision, there's no way back. And even if - it would end up being as bastardized as Starcraft II or the-diablo-that-shan't-be-named.
 

On 21. 6. 2017 at 8:46 AM, Lilaina said:

or WoW 2

It's called Cataclysm.

 

19 hours ago, duzyizly said:

naxx is WotLK

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On 21. 6. 2017 at 8:46 AM, Lilaina said:

the Legion has spaceships now?

Well, technically they're netherships. Showing them in the Great Dark Beyond is silly however. That's like saying Outland is able to function as an atmosphere-retaining celestial body. Hint: It can't, the only reason it exists as anything but a crumbling lifeless stone is because it got literally blasted into Nether.

Also in the beginning of this expansion, they kept warping in at various places they were attacking. Same technology as Tempest Keep and that minivan draenei stole and crashed into some furbolgs with.

As for why they needed portals before, well, they got the whole universe to purge. Universe is a large place. Portals are a convenient way of invading people's worlds, kinda like skype video calls. Now we see spaceships, because the Legion is physically present.

Plus there was an outrageous amount of Legion space junk in TBC. That's actually the reason why wotlk features so much duct tape. They were afraid the scifi might alienate people, so they went straight back into pretending the game is about medieval. Sigh, where are the 90s when games seamlessly blended scifi technology and fantasy magic and nobody really minded (Might & Magic series being the best example (though the HoM&M actually DID mind, there was supposed to be a cyborg city in Heroes III, but people not familiar with the RPG series complained), then there was Albion and eventually Arcanum which was a nice deconstruction of some of it).

On 21. 6. 2017 at 1:05 PM, ilovecats said:

and now he says he didn't believe Sargeras can be stopped? What? He and Archi joined Sargeras because they wanted power, and now KJ is retconned into a misunderstood Mary Sue?

I think it was supposed to mean "I envied that you had the conviction to stand behind what you were doing, even tho it sucks, and your elevator-music-windchime-lightbulb friends too, and that's WHY I turned to Sargeras' power". As in, thanks to Kil'Jaeden being butthurt about Velen, Sargeras had an easier time to corrupt him.

SEE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU RETCON A PERFECTLY GOOD STORY ABOUT A RACE OF SADISTIC DEMON FIENDS WHO MURDER PLANETS FOR FUN AND WHEN THEY GET DEFEATED THEY JUST SHRUG AND CORRUPT THE INVINCIBLE TITAN WHOSE WORK AND HOBBY IS INSTATING PAX ROMANA ONTO THE UNIVERSE INTO A RACE OF VAGUELY HOMOSEXUAL BODYBUILDERS WHO JUST HAPPENED TO GET CORRUPTED BY SARGERAS BECAUSE THEY WERE IN THE WAY AND AS A RESULT ONLY THE INSUFFERABLE RELIGIOUS DOLTS GOT AWAY TO INFLICT THEIR HOLIER-THAN-THOU ATTITUDE ON THE INNOCENT ORCS AND PLAYERS, METZEN.

But hey, ever since they made Sargeras into basically lawful neutral in the last chronicle, are you really surprised?
Not to mention that one holy dreadlord. Who knows what his deal is. Did he eat a naaru and became insufferably good in the process? Fate worse than death.

22 hours ago, Joyman said:

With all the money flowing in their direction they can hire 5 hardcore fantasy writers

Fun fact: Did you know Knaak wrote 21 books for Dragonrealm and 11 books for Dragonlance?
 

On 21. 6. 2017 at 1:05 PM, ilovecats said:

Look at Iliidan, he used to be my favourite character, I loved him! And now he's a floppy, microwaved yesterday's dinner.

That's probably the only thing I don't mind. Mostly because I know what happened in the Illidan book. Yes, what lies in store for him story-wise is tainted by Metzenity - basically in the book he meets an elder naaru (suspension level: about as much when the borg want to introduce something new and exciting and so they make a sphere instead of a cube) and gets a vision that he gets cleaned of the demonic corruption, empowered and will lead the armies of the light as its champion. It's extremely clear where the author's will ends and where Blizzard-dictated mandate begins there.

So basically while this book has some typical unneeded fluff and a self-insert (thankfully less cringy than we're used to as he's not the main character) and eating demons' hearts, we gain new insight into what Illidan did during TBC (instead of, you know, telling us 10 years ago during TBC). Which consisted of exploiting Outland mercilessly to get all the resources he can, and getting the most bitter and broken elves to recruit as demon hunters. Illidan is a guy who once lost it all, had everything he loved burn or taken away (or seduced by Furion), and now he had a whole army of like minded people who are very angry, live only for vengeance, have sharp knives and don't afraid of using fel magic against the demons to the point they'd rather destroy themselves fighting Legion than let it take over. So basically what he does then is take these demon hunters and attacks some important Legion worlds with the demon hunters completely raping every demon they meet into shreds.
As for Argus, Illidan wanted to attack it directly (remember, the demon hunters are very angry), but the planet has been thought lost/unreachable/hidden by the Burning Legion. But he finds out about a central archive of the Burning Legion. So he just comes waltzing in, carving his bloody path through the demons, taking the info he needs and destroying as much of the rest as he can. Oh, and did I mention he casually blew up the Nathrezim home planet in the process?
Of course, he's really secretive and paranoid, so he doesn't tell anyone, and that's why Akama starts working against him (fuck, and they call Illidan the Betrayer).
(also I absolutely love King for the way he dealt with Knaak's War of the Ancients - he simply chooses to not mention the past events, it's like those books were never written, it's great)

See, Illidan was always a "fighting fire with more fire" kinda guy, but now he's firmly established as someone who is willing to take it to the absolute possible extreme if the goal, vanquishing the Burning Legion, is fulfilled. That's why he looks like a complete tyrant in Outland, because he is. He knows that even if one shattered world gets enslaved and completely exhausted of resources, it's absolutely nothing against the destruction Legion could wreak, and it's a laughably low price to pay for their defeat. It also adds a whole lot more sense to him creating the second Well of Eternity. It goes from "mana addict" to "this is my sacrifice, you don't get it, but if they ever come back, we'll need this".

So in this spirit, despite all the circumstances being obviously nothing mroe than a hollywood-style showcase of special effects, Illidan going "you're a bunch of pansies" to the rest of the cast and summoning a fucking portal to Argus right in the orbit of Azeroth is actually very much in line with his character and with what the book established. He gets things done.

On 21. 6. 2017 at 8:55 AM, ilovecats said:

The players never kill the baddies, they just teleport away with 1hp left...

*Garrosh theme plays*

The most recent (and infuriating) example is Gul'dan in WoD randomly getting slapped into a portal by dying Archimonde. And then Legion goes and tries to pretend Gul'dan is some sort of threat. Guys, he's from an alternate timeline. The bronze flight might not see anymore, but if Nozdormu decides to eat some spicy hot talbuk and fart, the whole WoD timeline will fold in on itself and Gul'dan will stop existing! How am I supposed to take him seriously? Thank god he exploded.

Honestly the WoD alternate thing was full of bullshit. They didn't even try doing anything new with it. Ner'zhul was an enemy again (though he had a very favourable position to try and be our ally), Gul'dan got to serve the Burning Legion again (and that was after he got punched out by the Hellscream family, so that shouldn't've happened). Oh and remember how they said this is gonna be Horde without demons that's much stronger, well guess what is the last zone and tier of raids, that's right, demons! At least Grom was a slight bit more sensible this time and didn't drink any suspicious kool-aid. Garrosh was a good influence I guess. Shame they wasted his entire potential.

But hands down the most unnecessary, stupid, superfluous, infuriatingly dumb, self-serving thing was declaring that demons exist only once and so if you meet them in alternate universe, it's still the same demon. It doesn't work that way (of course, they had to do it because Blizzard's WoD finagling means that if they kept it the original way, we'd have to fight two legions). The fact Nether really doesn't have time as we know it (any experience of time in Nether is said to be highly subjective and shaped by you) doesn't mean it ignores alternate realities. That's dumb. Really dumb. Like putting-murlocs-on-everything-and-thinking-it's-funny level of dumb.

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@Xaverius Illidan is like that creepy neckbeard who just won't let go of that one m'lady.

And I absolutely hate the alternate timeline bs. We get alternate Velen sacrifice himself, but it's the real Maraad who saves that twat Yrel who makes me sick. Where is the alternate Maraad then? He wanted to save many people because of the refugees he left, but he ends up saving one girl? What a way to go...

Oh, and Velen's son joining the Legion, wtf. I don't think he was mentioned anywhere prior to this expack.

What a steaming load of shite, this stuff makes me really salty. My apologies.

It all gets way over the top and just doesn't fit into the universe anymore.

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9 minutes ago, ilovecats said:

but it's the real Maraad who saves that twat Yrel who makes me sick

So where's the real Yrel?

Did she die back then? I hope she died. That explains why we had a Maraad. Honestly I don't like him, due to him being the uncle of you-know-who and originating in that comic. But I prefer him over Yrel. Because Yrel, Yrel is probably one of the biggest Mary Sues in the game. Right after world-shaman (lel) Thrall Go'el, Varian (let's not mention that comic either) and that weird Anduin "let's make all the races admit the Light is as good as their own gods and also retcon half the timeline so he's not too old" stuff that happened during MoP.
How do you even make a character this annoying. Even that part where she gets people killed is just an excuse to show that she can make a mistake. Exactly one. Eugh.

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I dont even follow the lore nowadays. Did Kil'jaeden die for real or they will just bring him back like they did with Archimonde? Did Archimonde die for real in Hellfire Citadel or just "came back to the nether" or something like on Hyjal? This alternate universe bullcrap messes everything up..

Oh and if Illidan was able to teleport a WHOLE PLANET FULL OF DEMONS next to Azeroth with some crystal, couldn't the Legion just use it to teleport Argus or any demon-infested planet next to Azeroth and take it over REALLY EASILY ages ago since that crystal belonged to them until Illidan stole it?

Also why the hell Khadgar looks like he's in his late 40's to early 50's when he was an old bearded man in TBC and described as such in the books?

Also congrats to Blizzard because Suramar is the only city in the game that actually looks like a real city that people can live in. Only took them 12 years and 6 expansions...

Enough of my rant.... I'm just gonna go play some Warcraft 3

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Yeah, like wc2 expansion was called Beyond the Dark Portal, all expansions after wotlk should be called Beyond Salvation. Because why all should be logical and thoughtful when the majority of new players are either brainless or under 13 years of age(when they don't wanna know anything that is going on). The rest few percent are just gobbling anything that their beloved company spewed. And in this freaking universe this crap is kinda popular and continues its bullshit when great stuff like Firefly(the series) and Kings were shut down since season one. Logic dictates - nothing that can make plebs be smarter or curious must be shut down, we need mindless zombies, not critical thinking people.

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2 hours ago, hussar said:

Oh and if Illidan was able to teleport a WHOLE PLANET FULL OF DEMONS next to Azeroth with some crystal, couldn't the Legion just use it to teleport Argus or any demon-infested planet next to Azeroth and take it over REALLY EASILY ages ago since that crystal belonged to them until Illidan stole it?

Also why the hell Khadgar looks like he's in his late 40's to early 50's when he was an old bearded man in TBC and described as such in the books?

Also congrats to Blizzard because Suramar is the only city in the game that actually looks like a real city that people can live in. Only took them 12 years and 6 expansions...

Well, they could, in theory. It's a portal key to Legion worlds, it's presumed Illidan could dial Azeroth with it because he added it into it while he had it in his possession. So the demons would have to get the guardian to Azeroth, which could be a bit inconvenient, seeing as what happened to the Burning Legion the last two times it tried to attack.

According to Blizzard, Khadgar shaved and stopped wearing his silly hat.


The last part isn't very fair, as Undercity is in sewers and besides, its inhabitants don't really live in the first place :P.

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10 hours ago, Lilaina said:

I know. I didn't know that the Burning Legion also had them. During their previous invasions they needed portals to get around.

I'm curious if Naxxramas can fly into space?

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8 hours ago, Xaverius said:

Oh, your sweet naïveté flows like a river.

It's called optimism. B|

5 hours ago, hussar said:

Oh and if Illidan was able to teleport a WHOLE PLANET FULL OF DEMONS next to Azeroth with some crystal, couldn't the Legion just use it to teleport Argus or any demon-infested planet next to Azeroth and take it over REALLY EASILY ages ago since that crystal belonged to them until Illidan stole it?

Also congrats to Blizzard because Suramar is the only city in the game that actually looks like a real city that people can live in. Only took them 12 years and 6 expansions...

I would have just teleported them to a sun or a black hole or something. And the person who thought that adding a plot device that can move around planets was a good idea should be demoted to writing for Hearthstone. :P

...

I don't know this Suramar but what's wrong with SW? I'd love to live in Mage Quarter or Old Town.

1 hour ago, duzyizly said:

I'm curious if Naxxramas can fly into space?

Blizzard is saving that for "Return of The Lich King." Space zombies ftw.

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3 hours ago, duzyizly said:

I'm curious if Naxxramas can fly into space?

Probably only Obrahiim knows. I guess it depends on what exactly it uses to stay in the air. It can be either shadow magic, soul fueled, or just held up by the will of the Lich King. And that's assuming it's not permanently enchanted.

If it's powered by Lich King, they can just move him inside and boom, spaceship. With the other means it would be a bit trickier I guess.

 

3 hours ago, Lilaina said:

Blizzard is saving that for "Return of The Lich King." Space zombies ftw.

Yes! That's it! After the defeat of Legion and Illidan becoming the ultimate Mary Sue and Thrall returning from retirement to preach about how the ground is not happy that our armies walked over it, Bolvar makes his triumphant return! He will challenge the void lords themselves! And since they want to eat all the life in the universe, the Scourge is the ultimate weapon against them - they are not life. And so he unleashes his hordes from Northrend upon the world in a lightning strike to convert as many as possible, as well as calling those of the Ebon Blade that would listen back to him.
And once again, the Alliance and the Hurrde must unite, except there's a divide amongst the Forsaken, because some of them feel Bolvar is right, while others... well, they think so too, but they're butthurt someone else came up with the idea and so they defy him.
Malfurion mumbles something about nature and falls asleep.

You're genius, we should put you into Metzen's vacant position.

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@Xaverius Stop right there! I feel like Blizz is actually tracking posts like these and thinks they are good (and legit) lore ideas. Have mercy  : D

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I think they hired the writer of the bold and the beautiful to butcher the lore and he did great job.

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Warcraft has never had good writing, plot-wise.

Metzen is no Tolkien, and falls into the usual tropes of high-fantasy.

Warcraft has always been driven primarily by its art direction, and interesting characters. I would only argue that Cata's writing is actually bad, I have not played Legion. Even WoD was interesting at points.

I would argue that there is no significant dip in the quality of writing across the expansions. The only reason that Cataclysm and beyond feel contrived is because the premises are largely original, i.e. not derivative of The Frozen Throne.

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Guys I heard Guild Wars had good writing maybe we should play that

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57 minutes ago, myrnym said:

Guys I heard Guild Wars had good writing maybe we should play that

http://www.chicagonow.com/god-running-partner/files/2015/04/Lynch-mob.jpg

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5 hours ago, myrnym said:

Guys I heard Guild Wars had good writing maybe we should play that

I play GW2 and the lore seems quite shallow. Especially the new characters aka "Destiny's Edge 2" who could come from a fanfic written by a teenager.

I don't know about GW1 though.

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9 hours ago, ilovecats said:

I play GW2 and the lore seems quite shallow. Especially the new characters aka "Destiny's Edge 2" who could come from a fanfic written by a teenager.

I don't know about GW1 though.

Yeah they planned a sequel but it didn't pan out, got canned or something, but GW1 guys

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