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pilgrim

Retribution Bugs; Needless or Necessity?

Hi I'm interested in rolling on Crestfall although I have some concerns, specifically tbc ret paladins. Crestfall is my hope of recreating my ret pally tbc experience. My concerns lie in the fact that crestfall has announced itself as a bug free project. Particularly when it comes to seal twisting and vindication immunities procing JoW. While a bug, is blizz like. I do believe specific non earth shattering bugs grounded by skillful execution was highlighted in their youtube Q & A as being perhaps justifiable. Thereby justifying seal twisting but that would also require the server to be scripted with spell delay, a trait many servers do not share. Will Crestfall be including spell delay?

Secondly, vindication procing seal of wisdom on immune targets while not skill based I do fine to be a necessity in tbc. Ret paladins fall behind in the first two stages of a three stage PTE server in many ways. In this regard suffering from mana issues. I do not believe blizzard did anything to alleviate dps paladins mana issues until patch 3.0. As the consensus of the ret paladin community was to wear warrior plate over tier sets to achieve the highest possible dps relying on any form of secondary Mp5. In this case the bug. 

My concern is that by eliminating too many bugs that it may have a underlying effect on specs that already have trouble competing for viability.

Has there been any offical posts addressing this?

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13 hours ago, pilgrim said:

Hi I'm interested in rolling on Crestfall although I have some concerns, specifically tbc ret paladins. Crestfall is my hope of recreating my ret pally tbc experience. My concerns lie in the fact that crestfall has announced itself as a bug free project. Particularly when it comes to seal twisting and vindication immunities procing JoW. While a bug, is blizz like. I do believe specific non earth shattering bugs grounded by skillful execution was highlighted in their youtube Q & A as being perhaps justifiable. Thereby justifying seal twisting but that would also require the server to be scripted with spell delay, a trait many servers do not share. Will Crestfall be including spell delay?

Starts around 1:09 - spell delay was implemented on the alpha more than 6 months ago and is fully blizzlike.

13 hours ago, pilgrim said:

Secondly, vindication procing seal of wisdom on immune targets while not skill based I do fine to be a necessity in tbc. Ret paladins fall behind in the first two stages of a three stage PTE server in many ways. In this regard suffering from mana issues. I do not believe blizzard did anything to alleviate dps paladins mana issues until patch 3.0. As the consensus of the ret paladin community was to wear warrior plate over tier sets to achieve the highest possible dps relying on any form of secondary Mp5. In this case the bug. 

Clear bugs such as this should be fixed prior to release, though it is possible that some will slip through the cracks.

We are not aiming for 100% blizzlike, we are aiming for what we call "Blizzlike +". There have been some changes beyond the scope of a blizzlike server to make what we consider long term improvements to the state of 1.12.1 vanilla. We operate on the basis of removing all class bugs if possible, including beneficial ones.

Specifically for rets, this means things like Consecrate getting a bonus from AP and multiple versions of the same judgement stacking have already been squashed.

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