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cybaster

Dear community, tell me about how Crestfall plans to avoid the fate of Nostalrius and Felmyst.

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On a strictly legal basis, how is this project going to survive the inevitable heavy-handed tactics Activision-Blizzard has been increasingly favoring?  How are the individual members of the team going to protect themselves from legal thuggery, and how are they going to protect the server itself?

No one who has responded seems to have understood the question.  Perhaps I didn't phrase it well.  I'll clarify:

Activision-Blizzard, and American IP holders in general, have adopted a specific practice when it comes to dealing with servers or projects that are hosted in countries that are indifferent to American IP claims.  When necessary, they bring litigation directly on individuals.  It is not unrealistic to assume that this will be done to any member of the Crestfall team within their reach (i.e., who live stateside).  You can only toss these letters until you get the one that drags you into court. 

What's the plan, here?  How can the Crestfall team avoid this fate?  Are they safe overseas?

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They're going to do the same thing as Kronos and Elysium ppl did. Not hosting in Murica and then flushing every mail from Blizzard in toilet.

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That solves one half of the problem, but it doesn't address Activision-Blizzard's strategy of bringing barrels of litigation on individuals and their households.  Is the core of the Crestfall team dwelling safely in countries that flout american IP claims?

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Q.  Where will you host the server?  Are you worried about Takedown requests?

A.  Western Europe, but we will have international proxies you can connect to in order to keep latency down.  We don't want to talk about it too much, but suffice to say you should be very happy with your ping to our realms.  We aren't concerned about C&D orders.  Blizzard has no legal authority to enforce their copyright outside the United States unless that country has a specific legal agreement allowing US corporations to do so.  We just host in a country which doesn't have those agreements.  We aren't even live yet and have already gotten C&D orders, so they just go into the wastebasket with the rest of the trash.

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15 hours ago, cybaster said:

That solves one half of the problem, but it doesn't address Activision-Blizzard's strategy of bringing barrels of litigation on individuals and their households.  Is the core of the Crestfall team dwelling safely in countries that flout american IP claims?

 

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We're behind 9 proxies. Yea, that's right. Not seven, not eight, nine!

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It's a private server, there are no guarantees. Zero, zip, nada.

You play here on the risk that;

  • Asura might get a C&D and shut down the whole project.
  • Crestfall might be the greatest project of all time and last the next 10 years, with multiple servers and destroy the rest of the pserver scene.
  • Asura might get hit by a bus and the project falls apart without ever releasing.
  • Asura gets bored of the hassle and shuts it all down with no notice and we never hear another thing about CF ever again.
  • etc.

Variations of these have happened and are happening today throughout the p-server scene. Northcraft being a current prime example, with a solid years worth of hype building on a project currently crumbling before our eyes in its release month. The 10+ year history of p-servers, is servers shutting down and players being disappointed.

CF will shut down at some point, if you're still an active player you will be disappointed by that shut down. Nature of the beast.

Crogge did keep Croggeserver running for night on 10 years even with it having next to no players however, so there is a possibility that things might be left in limbo rather than going full RIP whenever the team decides they have had enough. Most people don't have the passion in them to run fan projects for more than 12-18 months when live, it's a lot of stress and work for a bunch of entitled people who will whine that issue #8918 is 6% wrong and that makes the server unplayable until one of the devs quits their day job and focuses on the server 24/7 unpaid.

Since this is PTE and Asura has indicated he wants to see at least Cataclysm, we're already talking about a 4-5 year commitment at minimum. Who the hell knows what they'll be doing in 5 years?

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That's it?  I mean, I'm assuming Asura is a US citizen.  If that's true, then the worst case scenario isn't really a might.  He's going to get the letter.  It's only a matter of time.  If prior history is any indication, it'll happen shortly after release. 

I hope he has a plan to cope with this that doesn't involve destroying his own project.  For example, a trusted team-mate out of easy judicial reach who is empowered to step in, take charge, and make it look like a coup.  Plausible deniability is probably what he needs if he has to step back without blowing up the project.  He can't be able to sink the project or Activision-Blizzard is going to bully him into doing so.

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