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An offer for all future Alliance players on the PVP realm

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Before I get to the actual topic I wanna make something clear. This isn't me sharing some ambition with you in hopes that you'll support me and work with me towards achieving the goal. This is merely me asking all of you, future Alliance players on the PVP realm, if you would be interested in organized WPVP. Let me explain...

World PVP... it's more or less the main reason why one would roll on the PVP server, no? Whether because they like the feeling of always being in danger or because they want to freely combat the enemy faction as is expected in the war torn World of Warcraft. Some would make this into a primary thing, turning their backs on PVE and instanced PVP, seeking the thrill of fighting in massive armies or small scale 5vs5 battles out in the world. 

I don't expect many organized groups of WPVPers to pop up. Perhaps I'm underestimating and perhaps I'm correct. Future Horde players are already boasting about how they plan to turn Westfall and Redridge into graveyards. Power to them. But what about the Alliance players? Sure, the forum still isn't as big as it will be in the future, however, I'd rather do this now when it's too early than later when it's too late. 

If you didn't figure it out already I'm asking how many of my fellow boys in blue would be willing to collectively take up arms and combat the enemy. Yes, that's just a different way to say "hey, wanna start a WPVP guild?" and I'm not trying to make it sound like anything else. Now to clear something up...

I am NOT asking you to join some future guild I may or may not make. As I said, I'm merely asking if any and how many are interested. Yes, I would gladly lead such a guild, however, if I do so it will be a learning experience, at least at the start. I have never led a guild and as a matter of fact I have never done any serious PVP either. I also don't need either of those things to accomplish my goal with this thread. What's my goal? No, not to gather and lead, but to encourage. To encourage the gathering of a force that will collectively be able to combat the same forces gathered on the other side. The red side. I'll get better at PVP in time if I try hard enough. That's not a problem.

My past experiences with mass scale WPVP was watching my fellow Alliance players run left and right, trying to gather forces in the last minute to fight back the army of orcs and trolls running about freely killing all that they please. Sure, some groups would form from time to time and fight, however, they were all formed in the last minute before the attack starts. A minute with not a single second for planning and organization. 

I would happily take up the responsibility of leading such a guild. Would I do well? If I do well, for how long? As I said, I've never led a guild before so I don't know. I want it to be perfectly clear to anyone that even considers joining under my banner that for me this would be as much of a learning experience as it would be an honor. I would also be just as happy to see someone else taking it up. And who's to say only one of us should? Infact I hope to see many of us doing so. Alas as I said, I don't expect much. I have strong doubts that more than one guild will form no matter who leads it. Hopefully in making this post I'll change that. 

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FOR THE HORDE *cough*

Nice initiative. I'm and will always be a Horde player because the lore. Seems like Horde is more about Honor and Ally towards politics (personal opinion).

Like you, I never did anything 'hardcore' on WoW. Just played, did some raids being Off-tank / Emergency Tank (everything fails, I get aggro while party reorganize in few seconds / res someone important) on my DK back there.

This time i'll play same way, but I want to learn more about raids, roles (not too much to be labelled as hardcore, but to be part of something bigger and make difference) and PvP like you said War between factions is deep in lore. I want that feel. I want fights. I want scream FOR THE HORDE on Stormwind incurssions :D 

See you in field mah-enemy.

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26 minutes ago, Odysseu said:

FOR THE HORDE *cough*

Nice initiative. I'm and will always be a Horde player because the lore. Seems like Horde is more about Honor and Ally towards politics (personal opinion).

Like you, I never did anything 'hardcore' on WoW. Just played, did some raids being Off-tank / Emergency Tank (everything fails, I get aggro while party reorganize in few seconds / res someone important) on my DK back there.

This time i'll play same way, but I want to learn more about raids, roles (not too much to be labelled as hardcore, but to be part of something bigger and make difference) and PvP like you said War between factions is deep in lore. I want that feel. I want fights. I want scream FOR THE HORDE on Stormwind incurssions :D 

See you in field mah-enemy.

I'm pretty weak when it comes to lore, however, I know it enough to know that I prefer Alliance. The ways of the Horde are also known to me and I have respect for many under the red banner even if I don't fully agree with their ways. I do agree that Alliance focuses more on politics while Horde values honor.

In the end we're all just pieces on a chess board. We all have our individual motives and morals. Sometimes instead of trying to figure out the ways of an enemy it is easier to just lower the sword and indulge in a moment of peace with them, same as it is sometimes easier to raise a fist at an ally instead of attempting to reason with them. The blood is always red, no matter if it is spilt for honor or politics.

 

I'll also be trying to balance fun with learning. I'll try a new class that I am completely unfamiliar with, I'll try PVP for the first time and perhaps I'll pick up some leadership abilities if my idea for a guild takes off. I'd like to say I won't aim to be hardcore but I can't say for sure. You know how it is. One moment you're casually doing BGs and the next you're on the rush for rank 10.

 

Should you ever see the one named Veloxius on your travels... whatever shell his spirit chooses this time... know that he is just as willing to peacefully sit beside you as he is to give you his all in combat. Even if it isn't much...

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Maybe we can sit and fish together somewhere after some great fights, and because we can't understand each other, we just fish. 

I played on a RP Retail server one time just to see whats going on there. Man. I make some -enemy friends-.

Every BG we find each other, was a cat-rat chase, and in some world encounters we just sit somewhere and dance together.

Just like Vol'jin/Thrall did with Varian after Garrosh's imprisonment, some peace treaty for a while.

 

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I would be highly interested, if the world PvP was as described, unfortunately it usually isn't. I've been PvPing with @Simonich on K2 for much of the last week in Redridge. After those first few weeks where everyone is of a similar level, all I've really found is a bunch of players who espouse the pro's of world PvP, where in reality the server is full of people abusing dc/log out bugs in order to avoid combat, level 60's corpse camping you because they don't want world PvP affecting their alts, and people being abusive via whisper after you've killed them. I've had a spy in Lakeshire all week, and often find more 50+ characters in Redridge trying to stop low level world pvp than there are leveling in zones such as western plaguelands. I've a level 25 Druid there, I don't kill grey (18 and below) characters unless they either attack me first, are part of a larger group (3v1 at least) or are being escorted by a high level on follow. It seems half of Redridge is a multiboxer with a max rank bodyguard.

Fortunately Crestfall has banned Multiboxing, but I can still see many of the same issues affecting the server. For all people cry that PvP servers are the way the game must be played, they seem to spend an inordinate amount of time actively trying to avoid equal level PvP.

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1 minute ago, Elicas said:

I would be highly interested, if the world PvP was as described, unfortunately it usually isn't. I've been PvPing with @Simonich on K2 for much of the last week in Redridge. After those first few weeks where everyone is of a similar level, all I've really found is a bunch of players who espouse the pro's of world PvP, where in reality the server is full of people abusing dc/log out bugs in order to avoid combat, level 60's corpse camping you because they don't want world PvP affecting their alts, and people being abusive via whisper after you've killed them. I've had a spy in Lakeshire all week, and often find more 50+ characters in Redridge trying to stop low level world pvp than there are leveling in zones such as western plaguelands. I've a level 25 Druid there, I don't kill grey (18 and below) characters unless they either attack me first, are part of a larger group (3v1 at least) or are being escorted by a high level on follow. It seems half of Redridge is a multiboxer with a max rank bodyguard.

Fortunately Crestfall has banned Multiboxing, but I can still see many of the same issues affecting the server. For all people cry that PvP servers are the way the game must be played, they seem to spend an inordinate amount of time actively trying to avoid equal level PvP.

(inb4 pro-multiboxers come in and tear us to shreds)

Sadly there are community spawned flaws in all sections of WoW. All of varying proportions and importance. WPVP is no exception.

In my opinion the main reason why WPVP hasn't seen it's best days in a while is because not many people are taking it seriously. That's, at the very least, as far as my experience goes. My plan is to either encourage others to organize themselves or do it myself. I believe we can make it work if we look at it as more than ganking. Yes, ganking and getting camped is a part of it and so is avoiding WPVP all together. Some roll on the PVP server for the thrill of having to run. It's still part of the bigger picture. 

I'm certainly not denying the issues that will surely occur. I guess I'm just willing to waste time trying to fix them. Perhaps I'm naive, but it's a game after all.

In the end, WPVP will never be perfect. WoW simply isn't designed to allow flawless WPVP. However, why not make it the best it can be? 

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I'll certainly spend some time on the PvP server. Low level PvP is one of my favourite things in the entire game, it's just such a shame it is ruined after the first ~4 weeks on nearly every server, ever.

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While I do encourage at least some fairness in my ways, while playing in K2 atm, I can't help but abandon "fairness", once i start playing here.

Because it doesn't matter what happens when you see everything as "total war". The two factions fighting each other in whatever power they possess.

 

I won't purposedly hunt down grays on my own just cause I can, while avoiding enemies of the same level. I will assault everyone on sight. Grays may be spared cause "they're not worth the time", but if I could, i would organize take-overs of towns in westfall/redridge/duskwood/elwynn, or important spots, like nesingwary camp, i would add high level players to act as guards, so only the horde can benefit from the camp, and gray-leveled players will be killed on sight, but not chased down to the point they can't rezz. They will be able to stop trying to make use of nesingwary camp and leave etc. I will also end up invading Stormwind aswell. In fewer words, i kill 60s on sight, and grays only when i am leading a warband somewhere, without camping them ofcourse, just making them feel the effect of the invasion

I will attempt to recruit many players, and inspire them with our ambitions. At times, redridge massacres will happen, and low levels will die, until a high-level resistance finally appears.

Might be ironic, but from me, a gray-level enemy player has much more chance of survival if I see him in my land rather than his own land, you are free to assume the explanation of that

 

I've heard of your thoughts, velox, of creating a world-pvp guild and such. I'm amused to see that I will have a rival. I would however, rather you have me on my side, perhaps as a tauren, I think it would fit you well enough. I often lack of motivated officers who actually want to share the work i take, of recruitment and leadership.

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Damn, how awesome it would be if two rival WPvP guilds formed on both factions : OOO

OMG i soo hope it happens. Alas, probably just a PvP lover's wetdream, but I wish you all the luck. Now do your best to make it happen! :D 

(once it happens tho, feel free to do your worst - on the battlefield :D

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3 minutes ago, Simonich said:

While I do encourage at least some fairness in my ways, while playing in K2 atm, I can't help but abandon "fairness", once i start playing here.

Because it doesn't matter what happens when you see everything as "total war". The two factions fighting each other in whatever power they possess.

 

I won't purposedly hunt down grays on my own just cause I can, while avoiding enemies of the same level. I will assault everyone on sight. Grays may be spared cause "they're not worth the time", but if I could, i would organize take-overs of towns in westfall/redridge/duskwood/elwynn, or important spots, like nesingwary camp, i would add high level players to act as guards, so only the horde can benefit from the camp, and gray-leveled players will be killed on sight, but not chased down to the point they can't rezz. They will be able to stop trying to make use of nesingwary camp and leave etc. I will also end up invading Stormwind aswell. In fewer words, i kill 60s on sight, and grays only when i am leading a warband somewhere, without camping them ofcourse, just making them feel the effect of the invasion

I will attempt to recruit many players, and inspire them with our ambitions. At times, redridge massacres will happen, and low levels will die, until a high-level resistance finally appears.

Might be ironic, but from me, a gray-level enemy player has much more chance of survival if I see him in my land rather than his own land, you are free to assume the explanation of that

 

I've heard of your thoughts, velox, of creating a world-pvp guild and such. I'm amused to see that I will have a rival. I would however, rather you have me on my side, perhaps as a tauren, I think it would fit you well enough. I often lack of motivated officers who actually want to share the work i take, of recruitment and leadership.

I'll continue to fight even if it's my bare nails against a sharpened axe. I'm not looking for fairness in a game like Vanilla WoW. If the odds are against me I'll just look for my next best option even if I have to scrape the bottom of the barrel, so to speak. I think one of the mistakes some people make is that they look at WPVP as nothing but fighting. Retreating, hiding and other things that are not direct combat are a big part of WPVP (and PVP in general). 

We're on the same page about fairness... now about those grays.

War's a war. I won't be pressuring myself with trying to explain why I killed that one gray and let the other one go. Wrong place, wrong time. It's good to hear that you won't encourage camping low levels and neither would I. You have my respect for that (among other things).

 

As for your offer... tempting... I've been an Alliance dog for as long as I've been playing WoW (with some minor Horde breaks here and there. Nothing serious). One would say that with my "devotion" I wouldn't abandon the King for nothing... however, the arrow on my moral compass is a bit... loose. I certainly won't find it easy to leave the blue rags behind, nor have I made a decision. But I will think. I am, in short, honored by your offer and will consider it. 

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7 minutes ago, hussar said:

Damn, how awesome it would be if two rival WPvP guilds formed on both factions : OOO

OMG i soo hope it happens. Alas, probably just a PvP lover's wetdream, but I wish you all the luck. Now do your best to make it happen! :D 

(once it happens tho, feel free to do your worst - on the battlefield :D

Whatever route I decide to take in my PVP journey I will make sure to give it my all. I have a lot ahead of me as I will be a mere novice on the battlefield. 

Where my wit and sword arm fail, my blind passion will carry on!

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If you want people to take PVP seriously - play on server like this one - http://warlordsofxoroth.pro/

The normal wow server pvp is just shit. World pvp is only griefing, you don't risk anything, only time and nerve cells. If for example you had to risk your gear, experience(level) and gold - this would be totally different kind of game. Then more people would like to kill you and punish you for harassing them. And if those gankers lost their gear set few times they will start to think twice before engaging in griefing fiestas. In its current form best type of PVP is organized one - either on battlegrounds or between guilds on different faction and without the need to harass players leveling, be them either new players or veterans wanting to play their alts. I would gladly play on this kind of pvp game, but on current wow system - no thanks when I have the option. I would never gank anyone who just found some time to level up, or farm mats or grind gold. Because I always put myself in his shoes. I would hate someone to spoil my free time like that. On the other hand if our guild has an event where we must fight some other guild(or more) from the other faction somewhere in the world I would be first in line to charge. Don't blame the players, blame the system.

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3 minutes ago, Joyman said:

If you want people to take PVP seriously - play on server like this one - http://warlordsofxoroth.pro/

The normal wow server pvp is just shit. World pvp is only griefing, you don't risk anything, only time and nerve cells. If for example you had to risk your gear, experience(level) and gold - this would be totally different kind of game. Then more people would like to kill you and punish you for harassing them. And if those gankers lost their gear set few times they will start to think twice before engaging in griefing fiestas. In its current form best type of PVP is organized one - either on battlegrounds or between guilds on different faction and without the need to harass players leveling, be them either new players or veterans wanting to play their alts. I would gladly play on this kind of pvp game, but on current wow system - no thanks when I have the option. I would never gank anyone who just found some time to level up, or farm mats or grind gold. Because I always put myself in his shoes. I would hate someone to spoil my free time like that. On the other hand if our guild has an event where we must find some other guild(or more) from the other faction somewhere in the world I would be first in line to charge. Don't blame the players, blame the system.

Agreeing to disagree. 

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After giving it some more thought I decided I'll just start the guild and see where it goes. It's not like just making it will require a whole lot of effort. It's the people's interest in WPVP that'll drive the wagon in the end. 

Here's hoping something decent comes out of all this.

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3 hours ago, Joyman said:

If you want people to take PVP seriously...

...enable full loot (oh dear).

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4 hours ago, Chalk said:

BETTER DEAD THAN RED

Another treehugger. Like to farm them especially they make such great death cries. Crawl back to your tree stub. FTH!

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FOR THE ... WHOEVER PAYS MORE!

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Velox, you have my full support! Run and hide, horde scum, for none shall survive!

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18 minutes ago, Mal Do'Urden said:

Velox, you have my full support! Run and hide, horde scum, for none shall survive!

That's the spirit!

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21 hours ago, Xaverius said:

FOR THE ... WHOEVER PAYS MORE!

A TRUE MERCENARY HERE GUYS. GET  THOSE PITCHFORKS!

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I'm going to be one of the big leaders in Wpvp, but I'll be on the horde slaying gnomes. It's going to be a lot of fun, and you will burn aswell! Join the horde for honor.

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Alliance has always been more towards premming and organization. taken from previous experiences.

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